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'PM tells US 'time has run out' on Iran diplomacy'

By JPOST.COM STAFF 08/31/2012 10:30

Source tells 'Yediot Aharonot' that Netanyahu initiates shouting match with US Ambassador Shapiro on Obama's Iran policy.
A source that participated in the meeting said that a particularly angry and stressed Netanyahu began a tirade against the US president, attacking him for not doing enough on Iran. "Instead of pressuring Iran in an effective way, Obama and his people are pressuring us not to attack the nuclear facilities," the source quoted Netanyahu as saying.

Angered about continued US rhetoric that diplomacy needs more time to work, Netanyahu said flatly: "Time has run out," Yediot reported.

The American ambassador is said to have responded politely but firmly, telling Netanyahu that he was distorting Obama's position. Obama promised not to allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, he explained, and left all options on the table, including military options.

At that point, diplomatic sources told the paper, "sparks flew" in an escalating shouting match between Netanyahu and Shapiro as the stunned congressman watched.
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPoliti ... 83353&R=R1
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

aedens
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Hard landing assured. http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/20 ... ng-thieves

The Cheerfull and Village swarming to our Cheerfull and Village.

Financial Firms Face Subpoenas on Tax Strategy as John conveyed. Borders are for sale here and there also. Peaking on all fronts
of the so called Wisdom. Syrian atrocity's just a imputed cost to them to mirror the sign of the times. Soon has advanced it appears on the GD front. Civilization cannot be put back into order by seizing political power or by attacking it, but by moving away from it, by diverting our focus from marbled temples and legislative halls to the conduct of our daily lives. And so, we are not to live as those who have no hope.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/10/r ... n_launched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZQL22xOmUM
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OLD1953
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The resistance to the Fourth Turning is seldom well documented, but you can find it if you know where to look. Governments are ashamed of it, so they cover it up, historians give it short shrift. If you go here: http://twaintimes.net/page4.html and look under 1863, you'll find a reference to hundreds being killed in the New York draft riots. Clemens mentioned being turned out and given a gun to go fight rioters against the draft in St Louis.

The hardening of attitudes that comes about during the late Third Turning is hard to shake off. I've been tracking the election cycle fairly closely, and it appears to me that people became very locked into position before the races actually started. Most states are even more partisan than they were in 2008, with the result that this election appears to be a rerun of the 2008 election in most ways. Very little is actually at any point where it might change at all. Polls don't even show a convention bump for Romney, and I doubt they'll show one for Obama. This is what would be expected from a late Third Turning. OFC, I'm the guy who argues that a saeclum is now longer because of longer lifespans giving a longer period of work and influence.

The cycle that leads to a financial crisis is simple and easy, but it's positive feedback, and thus always leads to an out of control situation. Financial houses ask for relaxation of the rules, pointing out that they'll be able to pay more taxes if they make more money. The pols oblige, because they like spending money. A few turns about that loop and usury becomes not only common but ennobled, while we explain to each other how greed is good for us. There are good and practical reasons why usury should be limited and greed controlled, reasons having nothing to do with ethics or morals but simple conservation of the market and maintenance of the economy. Interest rates in the US are still high as hell for the most common loans, this is a fact and has nothing to do with the FED's gifts to the banks and financial houses. It seems to occur to no one that if these loans are so "risky", perhaps they should not be allowed in the first place.

Money is running around the world in all directions now, trying to find that safe place where neither war nor economic collapse nor the law will take it away from it's current holder. This is hardly limited to the Chinese.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3RvUwe ... re=related
Between the extremes we can find a way Old. Family who are friends also.
It is good to see ourselfs in the mirrow of History at times.

appears to me that people became very locked into position before the races actually started.

Indeed it does on this passing page... We have a long journey in front of us on this turning.
Peace if we can find it. Honor to those worthy of it. Faith to what should be preserved in it.

Knowing the difference between avoiding volatility and getting to the sideline layered in downside protection
is the walk last week. As for me VIX is meaningless for my own preferences of thought for now.
A few friends reminded me of that in may.
At its worst it is the recognition that you have a lot to learn in your development.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSKjaKUSvg
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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

aedens
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Exactly on the context.

Later 15 Steps to Corporate Feudalism, by Dennis Marker and you find out what happened to the middle class, and it all started with Reagan.
I find this indifferent to regional planning commisions "proxys" that hammered us earlier. Close enough for his hand to hand combat acount with educated rabble backed with gun powder. But he says that the policies that began to surface during the Reagan Administration gave him pause.
Ah somewhat late to the party I see he was.... goes back much further we have in the forums, point is he is wrong on the inception date.

Thread quote Source: G. William Domhoff, "Social clubs, policy-planning grups, and corporations: A network study of ruling-class cohesiveness,"
The Insurgent Sociologist, Vo. 5, No. 3, 1975, p. 178.

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Am reading that, but already he's annoyed me, by saying "unfunded portion of the pensions is XXXX", which means exactly nothing whatsoever. If you don't specify your terms, as in present value of the dollars owed, future value of dollars owed, total value by actuarial estimate or WHAT, then you just made a noise. The correct means IMHO would be present value of future paid out dollars owed, estimated based on standard actuary tables, but that's generally too much to ask. (IOW, what you think it would cost to pay everything, if you had the money in hand today to just buy an annuity from Vanguard and dispense with the obligation. The unfunded portion would then be that which you'd be short on buying the annuity. That's an honest way to look at these problems, if you keep in mind that putting it off even one day makes the total grow in proportion.)

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They will never let it happen since appurtenances rule over reality.
Regulating hypothecation goo vary's depending on context and on the jurisdiction.
Marked to book or market, as of a annuity that would kill the parasites of
leveraged multi shadow collataral. I always noted the Pareto Principle in finance as the 80/20 rule
to funding them?
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Jul 27, 2012 I agree and a few stable segments may be washed over is what we are watching.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/financial ... pectations <------ Soon is upon those now.
The company has not yet closed the books for the quarter. Additional information will be available on September 18, 2012,
when the company releases a full earnings report at 6:30 a.m. The sell side are glass eyed blaring September is no reason
for a drop step down. Noted was we have to make the year. These people made me cringe....Sorry guys the fail ship is docking
soon some know and conveyed. I stick to drift and we should know by 20th IMO as posted earlier. I guess these poor bastards
can ignore margin and flow for maximum ruin as John has conveyed also. Vacation starts....Au revoir et à demain
http://library.mises.org/books/Ludwig%2 ... conomy.pdf
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http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.c ... rtips.html

More every day see the light...
Debt which can never be paid is made whole and money is debased. Seniors are forgotten, the productive class is abandoned
and our children are forever to be enslaved. All to save monstrous financial bets and the paper wealth of lunatics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07nUN91 ... re=related - calibrated - 21 days - nature or nuture
driven - http://breggin.com/index.php?option=com ... &Itemid=79 - line - blended -

Yes they know...It was never about you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yzxCS ... re=related

reasons having nothing to do with ethics or morals but simple conservation of the market and maintenance of the economy.

The beginning is a very delicate time.

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Cutting taxes will never encourage risk taking, if the environment in place is not favorable for risk, that is, if the analysis does not show a high probability of profit and a low probability of loss at the end of the investment cycle, the investment will not be made by any sane person. Contrawise, if the analysis does show profit is likely, then the investment will be made. Governments like to think they can manage such things, but they can't, not in the direct sense. In the indirect sense, they can do so by various means, such as infrastructure building and so forth. Extending roads, power, gas, water, cell phone and fiber cables into areas with low land prices and desirable characteristics otherwise will do far more to promote industry than manipulating taxes. A project that cannot make a profit will not make a profit without paying taxes. If there is no profit, there are no taxes, so what difference did that make? Politicians are laboring under a delusion when they believe taxes create business, taxation policies may ATTRACT business from another area that would have been built in any event, but that is not creating business, but giving it an incentive to relocate. We need to grow the pie, not manipulate the slices.

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