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aeden
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiS37_EULj8

patience H
book four will slow grow
into the thaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zECmbAkbwcI&app=desktop rain is coming

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"Meanwhile, Japanese health officials reported 542 cases among the 3,700 quarantined passengers and crew members Tuesday, making the ship docked in Yokohama the site of the most infections outside of China."

https://nypost.com/2020/02/18/diamond-p ... -hospital/

Also see first entry below mainland China here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Half of all Coronavirus cases outside of mainland China are from 1 cruise ship. I bet that cruise ship stocks (if there are any) will be going down. Nobody going to want to risk a cruise with stats like that. Demand for cruises going to dry up and profits going to tank. Shorting cruise ship stocks might be even better than shorting S&P 500. Thoughts?

-- Vince

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** 18-Feb-2020 World View: Diamond Princess
vincecate wrote: > "Meanwhile, Japanese health officials reported 542 cases among the
> 3,700 quarantined passengers and crew members Tuesday, making the
> ship docked in Yokohama the site of the most infections outside of
> China."

> https://nypost.com/2020/02/18/diamond-p ... -hospital/

> Also see first entry below mainland China here:

> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

> Half of all Coronavirus cases outside of mainland China are from 1
> cruise ship. I bet that cruise ship stocks (if there are any)
> will be going down. Nobody going to want to risk a cruise with
> stats like that. Demand for cruises going to dry up and profits
> going to tank. Shorting cruise ship stocks might be even better
> than shorting S&P 500. Thoughts?

> -- Vince
That cruise ship was massively mishandled by the Japanese. Everybody
now pretty much agrees that quarantining thousands of mostly elderly
passengers on that ship for two weeks was a disastrous mistake.
People are being removed now, and returned to their countries
of origin, often in quarantine.

There will now be a lot of "lessons learned" from this incident.
In particular, ship ventilation systems will be changed as necessary
to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I don't know about cruise line stocks, but it's possible that they've
already bottomed out.

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John wrote:** 18-Feb-2020 World View: Diamond Princess
I don't know about cruise line stocks, but it's possible that they've
already bottomed out.
Carnival Corporation & Plc (CCL)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CCL/
About $43 with high of $59 for the last 52 weeks.

Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. (RCL)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RCL
About $111 with high of $135 for 52 weeks.

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. (NCLH)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NCLH/
About $52 with 52 week high about $60

I believe upgrading each cruise ship air filtration/sterilization system would probably take a very long time, if even possible.

I doubt they have bottomed, in particular if the S&P crashes...

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Not on my sector sweeps given actual issues before bioweap leakage for whatever reason.

touches on our beta query in 34xx again
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yelle ... ext-crisis

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 4xx#p49422

Dr Koo timeline indicated recovery period, it was bent for the greater good. Bern will have
that with a side of moral hazard for his bitchingtards not to buy $asg or even $gut. Bloomer to busy poking holes in dirt and DNC planting daisy.

http://static3.businessinsider.com/imag ... 6%20am.png <-----------

The Yensters hammered etf but that is a separate discussion for now.
http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... koo#p19115
And...
Keynes did not add any new idea to the body of inflationist fallacies, a thousand times refuted by economists. His teachings were even more contradictory and inconsistent than those of his predecessors who, like Silvil Gesell, were dismissed as monetary cranks. He merely knew how to cloak the plea for inflation and credit expansion in the sophisticated terminology of mathematical economics. The interventionist writers were at a loss to advance plausible arguments in favor of the policy of reckless spending; they simply could not find a case against the economic theorem concerning institutional unemployment. In this juncture they greeted the"Keynesian Revolution" with the verses of Wordsworth: “Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven.” It was, however, a short-run heaven only. We may admit that for the British and American governments in the ’thirties no way was left other than that of currency devaluation, inflation and credit expansion, unbalanced budgets, and deficit spending. Governments cannot free themselves from the pressure of public opinion. mises

Also
pretext: http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... boj#p33819

To the point reading your dated input Vin ---- So it is not just that people are rushing into dollars and making them more valuable.
I am really expecting the opposite of this, that commodities start going up fast. So I am not right, yet.

More right than you consider for the culmination of
34xx
and the 50.xx
1550.xx pivot trade that bought time for more than few.

The gold bias to infrastructure bias trade has been on track.
Only Bern-tards could fuck that up and biowep maniacs to date.

Danger Will Robinson as last time for -them- as let us not be naïve on the preference .gov exports list.
Keynes also made the following clear and unequivocal declarations:
I believe the future lies with,
1.State trading for commodities;
2.International cartels for necessary manufactures; and
3.Quantitative import restrictions for nonessential manufactures.
Yet all these future instrumentalities for orderly economic life in the future you seek to outlaw.

In summary, most producers that hedge with three-way collars are often taking a punt on the short put position, turning their hedge into a rather speculative trade. When initiating these strategies, many producers will claim that they "know" that prices won't decline enough for their short put position to move in-the-money. However, as we all know, that’s often not the case. Recall that many producers incurred large hedging losses from selling out-of-the-money put options, often as part of a three-way collar, when crude oil and natural gas prices collapsed in 2008-2009. Clearly many producers did not learn from the 2008-2009 collapse and are once again experiencing large hedging losses due to the recent price decline, many thanks to three-way collars.

signed,
Ben D. Over

As H knows at end of the day you are so f@#king gone.
As for me yes long and short.

thread: 34xx

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aeden wrote: patience H
book four will slow grow
into the thaw
I cut it in half to 10 lots today:

Image

There will be lots of time to find better places to add than what we have here tonight.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Higgenbotham wrote:
aeden wrote: patience H
book four will slow grow
into the thaw
I cut it in half to 10 lots today:

Image

There will be lots of time to find better places to add than what we have here tonight.
Totally agree. The S&P 500 has not yet rolled over by any means. Both breaks up and down are still possible. A break above 3880 will target 3425 I believe. Everything needed for a flash crash is present but it doesn't do it!

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When the US military was in the Philippines we have lost literally billions in equipment from rampant theft that never ends.

The most notable "Italian jobs" were 8 miles of fence around Clark airfield gone in one night. The fire trucks (you know those really big ones that they have in every city in the US) that simply drove out the gates to put out a fire in the nearby town never to be seen again.

Don't even begin to count the weapons that were stolen and then covered up by the US military as well.

There would be no China if the Philippines was run by honest people and the people themselves were not always on the scam.
The Philippines could have easily been the economic powerhouse of Asia. tyler

The Office can and should of move decades ago would have been a better view.
Taxpayers are tired of being screwed.

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