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Higgenbotham
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Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

Peter Robison, Bloomberg•June 28, 2019

(Bloomberg) -- It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeings- ... 57048.html

New dark age.
Gen X has no idea how to hire, not a clue. I believe Gen X is the most clueless generation of morons who have ever walked the face of the earth.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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** 30-Jun-2019 Boeing 737 Max programmers paid $9/hr
Higgenbotham wrote: > Gen X has no idea how to hire, not a clue. I believe Gen X is the
> most clueless generation of morons who have ever walked the face
> of the earth.
I've seen many examples of the above in the computer industry. In
the development of healthcare.gov, contractors like CGI in
Massachusetts hired hundreds of programmers that didn't even know
how to program, because the Obama administration gave them $200 million
to spend to develop a $10-20 million web site, with the result that
they produced millions of lines of worthless code that had to be thrown
out.


** Healthcare.gov -- The greatest software development disaster in history
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... 150823.htm


Here's a story that just came out yesterday. It would be almost
impossible to believe if it didn't happen all the time.

Development of the Boeing Max 737 software was outsourced to
Indian programmers with no aviation experience, earning $9 per hour.

> "The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep
> the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week
> revealed a new flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying
> off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

> Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its
> subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little
> as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries
> lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably
> India.
I really have to laugh, because I've seen exactly this happen at
Ability Networks.

Not only that, but also:
> "HCL Technologies Ltd. occupied several rows of desks,
> said Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer who worked in a
> flight-test group that supported the Max.

> The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set
> by Boeing. Still, “it was controversial because it was far less
> efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code,” Rabin
> said. Frequently, he recalled, “it took many rounds going back and
> forth because the code was not done correctly.”"
This is exactly what happened at Ability Networks, and it's also what
happened at CGI Corp. It would be hilarious if it weren't so
disastrous.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers

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John wrote:
> "HCL Technologies Ltd. occupied several rows of desks,
> said Mark Rabin, a former Boeing software engineer who worked in a
> flight-test group that supported the Max.

> The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set
> by Boeing. Still, “it was controversial because it was far less
> efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code,” Rabin
> said. Frequently, he recalled, “it took many rounds going back and
> forth because the code was not done correctly.”"
This is exactly what happened at Ability Networks, and it's also what
happened at CGI Corp. It would be hilarious if it weren't so
disastrous.
This is what passes for "management" in the world of Gen X. I experienced similar in infrastructure engineering. They hired people without engineering degrees to work as contractors in an engineering group. Probably the original idea was that the contractors would not do engineering work, but Gen X management was unable to understand the distinction between engineering work and routine work because the Gen X managers did not have engineering degrees or any engineering experience. It resulted in disaster after disaster. The worst disaster I saw was the contractors weren't checking sites for leaking underground storage tanks that had been remediated (with a residual plume) and some drinking water wells got drilled on contaminated sites.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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