Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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Trevor wrote:Boomers seem to be good at parenting, which seems to be why they raise the current hero generation.
I agree that applies to the younger Boomers. As one of the oldest Gen-Xers (born 1963) I remember people my mother's age (born 1943) going absolutely nutty with booze & drugs & promiscuous sex in the late '60s & early and mid '70s. And they were coddled and excused by older people, who thankfully made an effort to pick up a little of the slack and make sure that the Boomer's Gen-X kids didn't starve to death.

Conversely, I know younger Boomers who raised Gen-X & Millennial children in the '80s & '90s who were thoroughly dedicated to their children and extremely responsible as parents.

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Higgenbotham wrote: > In the instance of this thread, we find John, a Boomer, feeling
> like he is in charge. He feels generational theory is his
> specialty and he's got all the answers, nobody else, and certainly
> not an Xer. So we see behavior here that we don't see when John is
> outside his element (in the Financial Thread, for example, it
> exists but to a far lesser extent).
OK, let me tell my side of the story, because this is total
bullshit.

I've known you for years, and I've asked questions of you in your
areas of expertise because I have respect for your expertise.

A couple of days ago, I was speaking to a young Indian couple. Even
though I write about India a lot, I don't for a moment assume that I
know even a tiny fraction of the information about India than these
people did. So I respect people's expertise and reasoning, and it
make no difference to me what generation they're in, so your
"certainly not an Xer" remark is totally absurd.

As for generational theory, I know more about this subject than
anyone in the world. So yeah, I guess saying that makes me
arrogant.

But Xers don't respect knowledge and expertise, ---- certainly not
in a Boomer ---. The fact that you selected streaking as typical
of Boomers is revealing. Streaking was a publicity stunt by
a few nutcases, many of whom got arrested. No one I know would
have streaked any more than they would have created a fraudulent
synthetic security to defraud people with.

Some of the Xers in this forum -- vincecate, CrosstimbersOkie, Tom
Acre, perhaps yourself sometimes -- think of Boomers as nothing more
than buffoons and clowns and idiots that you can screw around with,
jerk around, manipulate, humiliate and control to your heart's
content.

When you call me "arrogant," what you mean is that I'm not acting like
a buffoon that you can just screw around with. What you mean is that
I didn't fall for some fatuous argument that you made and respond to
it by some online equivalent of streaking, which is how you want
Boomers to act, so that you can say to one another, "See? There
goes another clown/idiot Boomer. Let's fuck him over."

Xers don't care about what's right or wrong. Xers care that I play my
role. If you make some dumb argument and I disagree, and then it
turns out I'm right, a Boomer would respect greater expertise. But an
Xer has no respect for expertise and would look for a way to screw the
Boomer who's right.

I've had lots of experiences like that in that since the Xers have
come to power. I posted my experiences with Digimarc in 2007. That
company's software was a mess, and I worked 80 hours a week to get it
back on track, and I did. But since I then knew more about what was
going on than the incompetent Gen-X supervisor and her incompetent
Gen-X manager, they fired me for being "gloomy." Then the whole
division fell apart, and a year later they had to sell their assets to
another company that was better managed.

So in the end, it made no difference that I worked hard, that I was
right, that they were wrong, and that they destroyed their own
company. All that mattered is that I didn't act like the buffoon that
they wanted, and they punished me by firing me, depriving me of
income, which is a disaster at my age, while they continued to earn a
salary being completely incompetent. And yes, I'm pretty pissed off
about all that.

A few months ago, an Xer hired me to do some work for his web site. I
put in over 80 hours of work , and after I was done and billed him, he
blew me off and told me that he had asked me to do the work, but
hadn't agreed that he would pay me anything. This is a typical Xer
treating a Boomer like a buffoon. Nothing like this ever happened in
the 80s or 90s.

Writing for this web site, I have to deal with all sorts of crap from
people in all generations who call me names because they don't like
the conclusions. But Xers are the worst because they have no respect
for expertise and knowledge. The worst was Sean Love, who never had
any intention but to ridicule and humiliate me. I tried to reason
with him for years, to no avail. When the final dénouement came in
the TFT forum, I just started calling him a "nasty little Gen-X
twirp," and the only thing about that phrase that I regretted was that
I hadn't used it a lot earlier. If you or anyone else posts crap,
then I'll either ignore it or disagree with it. If you don't like
that, then tell me where I'm wrong. If you can't tell me where I'm
wrong, but you think I'm arrogant for being right, then fuck you.

Since I'm not willing to play the part of the buffoon that Xers can
just screw with to their heart's content, I have no way to deal with
Xers, and now that they're "in charge" (to use your phrase), I'm going
to be screwed every time. I keep joking about the fact that I hope
the first Chinese missile lands on Cambridge, but in fact I'm not
joking. I have no place in this world any more, and I would welcome
death. You Gen-Xers can just bumble your way into one crisis after
another without me, and I wish you luck, because in view of the
incompetence I keep seeing on a daily basis, you're going to need all
the luck you can get.

John

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Re: Generation-X culture vs Boomer culture

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John - I agree with what you are saying

bluebird (boomer born 1949)

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bluebird wrote:John - I agree with what you are saying

bluebird (boomer born 1949)
Best wishes, Ms. Bluebird.

John

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John

For what it's worth, I am a GenXer who feels that like every stereotype, there are exceptions to the norm. It is prudent not to prejudge any boomer or any GenXer. I just cannot believe that anyone would have the gall to say anything disparaging to John with all the work he puts in. Why do you read the site if you are going to do that? Keep your chin up John. It is not easy to watch this pot come to a boil. But as you keep saying just look at what we all have to be thankful for and enjoy the time while you can. Lets give Bernanke et. al. credit. The pot would have already boiled over by now if it were not for them!

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I still hope this WWIII prediction is wrong, but I don't think it is, especially since I'm now watching China's developments with increasing alarm.

As for the Boomer/Xer debate, both generations are equally responsible for our mess; so are both political idiots, I mean, parties.

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John wrote: I've known you for years, and I've asked questions of you in your
areas of expertise because I have respect for your expertise.

A couple of days ago, I was speaking to a young Indian couple. Even
though I write about India a lot, I don't for a moment assume that I
know even a tiny fraction of the information about India than these
people did. So I respect people's expertise and reasoning, and it
make no difference to me what generation they're in, so your
"certainly not an Xer" remark is totally absurd.

As for generational theory, I know more about this subject than
anyone in the world. So yeah, I guess saying that makes me
arrogant.
None of this is inconsistent with my view of how Boomers operate. It's only when the Boomers are within the particular niche they've carved out as their area of authority or expertise that they tend to ignore, dismiss, or endlessly dissect valid counter arguments. Outside their position of authority, the Boomers tend to be pretty much OK, as I stated.

There's one thing I'd add though. When outside their area of expertise, Boomers tend to overestimate the expertise of the Xers and sometimes even ascribe expertise that does not in fact exist. That creates problems, the BP oil spill being one likely example.
John wrote: But Xers don't respect knowledge and expertise, ---- certainly not
in a Boomer ---. The fact that you selected streaking as typical
of Boomers is revealing. Streaking was a publicity stunt by
a few nutcases, many of whom got arrested. No one I know would
have streaked any more than they would have created a fraudulent
synthetic security to defraud people with.
The streaking example is a case, as I've seen many times, of an Xer using Boomer logic to illustrate a point, which is then dismissed by the Boomer. A few Xers created these fraudulent financial instruments and, likewise, a few Boomers engaged in streaking. When this is pointed out, the response is that, while the creation of fraudulent instruments is illustrative of Xer characteristics, streaking is not illustrative of Boomer characteristics. As an Xer, I see Ben Bernanke "streaking" through the financial world with $7.7 trillion in bailouts which he then denied, or Bill Clinton "streaking" through the White House with the Monica Lewinsky affair and blowing a lot of cigar smoke to try to deny it, and a million other behaviors that, while not as overt as streaking itself, do have similarities. Let's face it, the word streaking didn't even exist until the Boomers came along. Millions of Xer youths watched this taking place repeatedly on national TV.
John wrote: Some of the Xers in this forum -- vincecate, CrosstimbersOkie, Tom
Acre, perhaps yourself sometimes -- think of Boomers as nothing more
than buffoons and clowns and idiots that you can screw around with,
jerk around, manipulate, humiliate and control to your heart's
content.
This could reasonably be construed as true up to and including the word idiots (generally, minus this forum and the particular names mentioned - for example, I don't see vincecate as believing any Boomer here is an idiot or jacking you around). Beyond that, Boomers tend to ascribe motives to behaviors that are connected to some character deficiency. I can't say for sure whether the motives that are ascribed are real or not - nobody can - because I can't get into the minds of the Xers and know for sure what they are thinking. So far as I can tell, though, the motives that I have seen Boomers ascribe to Xers (and Millenials) are by and large not real.
John wrote:When you call me "arrogant," what you mean is that I'm not acting like
a buffoon that you can just screw around with. What you mean is that
I didn't fall for some fatuous argument that you made and respond to
it by some online equivalent of streaking, which is how you want
Boomers to act, so that you can say to one another, "See? There
goes another clown/idiot Boomer. Let's fuck him over."
When Xers call Boomers arrogant, it's because they don't listen; within their position of authority they instead ignore, dismiss, or endlessly dissect anything that is counter to their beliefs.

These statements I am making are not personal. They describe behaviors I have observed time and time again in Boomers.
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John wrote:...
Some of the Xers in this forum -- vincecate, CrosstimbersOkie, Tom
Acre, perhaps yourself sometimes -- think of Boomers as nothing more
than buffoons and clowns and idiots that you can screw around with,
jerk around, manipulate, humiliate and control to your heart's
content...
I'm saddened to hear of your misfortune and hope that things take a turn for the better for you.

I'm also confounded by your comment above as I neither hold such opinions nor do I treat people in such a manner.

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Higgenbotham wrote: > These statements I am making are not personal.
Well, with all due respect, in your previous posting you referred to
some person named "John." So yes, I do assume that the statements
you're making are personal.
Higgenbotham wrote: > The streaking example is a case, as I've seen many times, of an
> Xer using Boomer logic to illustrate a point, which is then
> dismissed by the Boomer. A few Xers created these fraudulent
> financial instruments and, likewise, a few Boomers engaged in
> streaking. When this is pointed out, the response is that, while
> the creation of fraudulent instruments is illustrative of Xer
> characteristics, streaking is not illustrative of Boomer
> characteristics. As an Xer, I see Ben Bernanke "streaking" through
> the financial world with $7.7 trillion in bailouts which he then
> denied, or Bill Clinton "streaking" through the White House with
> the Monica Lewinsky affair and blowing a lot of cigar smoke to try
> to deny it, and a million other behaviors that, while not as overt
> as streaking itself, do have similarities. Let's face it, the word
> streaking didn't even exist until the Boomers came along. Millions
> of Xer youths watched this taking place repeatedly on national TV.
Of course your example was dismissed by this Boomer: Streaking didn't
hurt anyone. It was a college prank, a joke, a publicity stunt, a
form of protest. And yes, streaking was illustrative of Boomer
behavior in the sense that it was a form of political protest, and
political protest is what the 60s were all about. But it didn't
defraud anyone.

Comparing the massive fraud perpetrated by Xers to streaking just
illustrates my point about how Xers trivialize the crimes they've
committed. No wonder Xers refuse to send criminals to jail!

And it's by no means just "a few Xers." But let's not forget that it
wasn't just financial engineers and their bosses in investment banks
who defrauded the public. It was ordinary people filling out "liar
loan" mortgage applications, it was real estate brokers, home
builders, loan brokers, insurance agencies, ratings agencies, and
practically any person who had the opportunity to make money by lying
or defrauding someone. As I've written many times, this fraud
permeated the entire Gen-X culture, starting in the 2000s.

But hey, who cares about that? The Boomers were just as bad -- they
streaked!!

John

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browner55 wrote: > For what it's worth, I am a GenXer who feels that like every
> stereotype, there are exceptions to the norm. It is prudent not to
> prejudge any boomer or any GenXer. I just cannot believe that
> anyone would have the gall to say anything disparaging to John
> with all the work he puts in. Why do you read the site if you are
> going to do that? Keep your chin up John. It is not easy to watch
> this pot come to a boil. But as you keep saying just look at what
> we all have to be thankful for and enjoy the time while you
> can. Lets give Bernanke et. al. credit. The pot would have already
> boiled over by now if it were not for them!
Maybe now would be a good time to say that I've known many decent,
honest Gen-Xers who are a credit to their generation and to the
nation, and it's been an honor and a pleasure to know them.

John

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