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by Higgenbotham
Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:21 pm
Forum: Finance and Investments
Topic: Financial topics
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aedens wrote:As we watch and noted days ago Higg and conveyed Jevons paradox of doing more with less and the apparent sticky wage conversation...
The Archdruid is back and in good form:
Here, though, we’re in territory that has been well mapped out in advance by one of the historians who have helped guide the project of this blog since its inception. In his magisterial twelve-volume A Study of History, Arnold Toynbee explored in unforgiving detail the processes by which societies fail. Some civilizations, he notes, are overwhelmed by forces outside their control, but this isn’t the usual cause of death marked on history’s obituaries. Far more often than not, rather, societies that go skidding down the well-worn route marked “Decline and Fall” still have plenty of resources available to meet the crises that overwhelm them and plenty of options that could have saved the day—but those resources aren’t put to constructive use and those options never get considered.

This happens, in turn, because the political elites of those failed societies lose the ability to notice that the policies they want to follow don’t happen to work. The leadership of a rising civilization pays close attention to the outcomes of its policies and discards those that don’t work. The leadership of a falling civilization prefers to redefine “success” as “following the approved policies” rather than “yielding the preferred outcomes,” and concentrates on insulating itself from the consequences of its mistakes rather than recognizing the mistakes and dealing with their consequences. The lessons of failure are never learned, and so the costs of failure mount up until they can no longer be ignored.

This is where Peggy Noonan’s division of the current population into “protected” and “unprotected” classes has something useful to offer. Members of the protected class—in today’s America, as already noted, this is above all the more affluent half or so of the salary class—live within a bubble that screens them from any contact with the increasingly impoverished and immiserated majority. As far as they can see, everything’s fine; all their friends are prospering, and so are they; spin-doctored news stories and carefully massaged statistics churned out by government offices insist that nothing could possibly be wrong. They go from gated residential community to office tower to exclusive restaurant to high-end resort and back again, and the thought that it might be useful once in a while to step outside the bubble and go see what conditions are like in the rest of the country would scare the bejesus out of them if it ever occurred to them at all.

In a rising civilization, as Toynbee points out, the political elite wins the loyalty and respect of the rest of the population by recognizing problems and then solving them. In a falling civilization, by contrast, the political elite forfeits the loyalty and respect of the rest of the population by creating problems and then ignoring them. That’s what lies behind the crisis of legitimacy that occurs so often in the twilight years of a society in decline—and that, in turn, is the deeper phenomenon that lies behind the meteoric rise of Donald Trump. If a society’s officially sanctioned leaders can’t lead, won’t follow, and aren’t willing to get out of the way, sooner or later people are going to start looking for a way to shove them through history’s exit turnstile, by whatever means turn out to be necessary.

Thus if Trump loses the election in November, that doesn’t mean that the threat to the status quo is over—far from it. If Hillary Clinton becomes president, we can count on four more years of the same failed and feckless policies, which she’s backed to the hilt throughout her political career, and thus four more years in which millions of Americans outside the narrow circle of affluence will be driven deeper into poverty and misery, while being told by the grinning scarecrows of officialdom that everything is just fine. That’s not a recipe for social stability; those who make peaceful change impossible, it’s been pointed out, make violent change inevitable. What’s more, Trump has already shown every ambitious demagogue in the country exactly how to build a mass following, and he’s also shown a great many wage-earning Americans that there can be alternatives to an intolerable status quo.

No matter how loudly today’s establishment insists that the policies it favors are the only thinkable options, the spiraling failure of those policies, and the appalling costs they impose on people outside the bubble of privilege, guarantee that sooner or later the unthinkable will become the inescapable. That’s the real news of this election season: the end of ordinary politics, and the first stirrings of an era of convulsive change that will leave little of today’s conventional wisdom intact.
by Higgenbotham
Sun May 10, 2015 1:21 am
Forum: Finance and Investments
Topic: Financial topics
Replies: 29822
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From earlier today:
Higgenbotham wrote:http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... t-off.html

The Archdruid puts some larger context on the water shutoffs in Detroit and Baltimore.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... valve.html
The Archdruid's conclusion to the above linked essay seems to be the path the water shutoffs will take for now in that systems will be able to operate for those who can afford to pay.
I suspect, for what it’s worth, that the shutoff notices being mailed to tens of thousands of poor families in those two cities are a good working model for the way that industrial civilization itself will wind down. It won’t be sudden; for decades to come, there will still be people who have access to what Americans today consider the ordinary necessities and comforts of everyday life; there will just be fewer of them each year. Outside that narrowing circle, the number of economic nonpersons will grow steadily, one shutoff notice at a time.

As I’ve pointed out in previous posts, the line of fracture between the senile elite and what Arnold Toynbee called the internal proletariat—the people who live within a failing civilization’s borders but receive essentially none of its benefits—eventually opens into a chasm that swallows what’s left of the civilization. Sometimes the tectonic processes that pull the chasm open are hard to miss, but there are times when they’re a good deal more difficult to sense in action, and this is one of these latter times. Listen to the whisper of the shutoff valve, and you’ll hear tens of thousands of Americans being cut off from basic services the rest of us, for the time being, still take for granted.

--From the Archdruid Report "The Whisper of the Shutoff Valve", 2015
In round numbers, the descent might last somewhere between fifty and two hundred years. It is unlikely to be sooner, it could well be later, but the dark age is most likely to arrive within this time bracket. The collapse itself will be brief, taking a decade at most and possibly much less. Past instances of collapse have seemed to happen almost overnight. Once confidence goes out of the system it unravels very quickly. When perceptions return to reality, they do so abruptly.

--From the Phoenix Principle and the Coming Dark Age by Marc Widdowson, 2001
The underlined passages seem to be saying the same thing. This is the factor that these analyses omit:
John wrote: But I think it also applies to the entire world as a complex system.
Everything in the world is so interlocked these days, that the failure
of any large component, or even some small components, could
disastrously affect the entire world.
I don't think the descent has to run to the same level as previous examples before the catastrophic failure can occur. The catastrophic failure can occur from a higher level of functioning comparatively speaking.

The Archdruid and Widdowson are both attributing the inflection point of the collapse to it being a psychological phenomenon. It doesn't have to be that. In this case it won't be. It will occur first due to a technical failure that occurs in the same manner as the technical failure of a software system. The conditions for technical failure weren't present in previous collapses.
by aedens
Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:42 pm
Forum: Finance and Investments
Topic: Financial topics
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http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.de/2 ... knife.html

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covet

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Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first.
by aedens
Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:46 pm
Forum: Finance and Investments
Topic: Financial topics
Replies: 29822
Views: 16843915

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-0 ... blowing-it
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magaz ... .html?_r=4&
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/58854
http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 500#p21259 g links
http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 321#p21327 rc link

If you make 22.00 dollars over 46k per year it will cost you over $7500.00 I will look for that to relink.

"What is QE?" "You Republicans are all alike..." Sorry no r or d here just a small l watching sociopaths real time.

Rogers was right about baby with a hammer until 1989 then another picked it up and cannot even make a pencil.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html
If the product is so good why is it backed up with a gun to your head guys.
Broken windows to broken skulls will lead to what is always does as it is walked to the dust bin of history.

One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.
I urge you to contact and sort out who are the scripted ward heelers upcoming in local election for city control and it is very easy to see what they are actually upcoming. Locally we are still in a spiral down the pipe as we say. We are actually making plans for the next exodus out since they all say they want a larger straw to stab in you to "fix the issues". They are factually challenged now on what has happened since Truman to be polite..
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/ ... ategy.html
This issue alone as Stranded Costs on aging and abused workers will always be paid by Taxpayers so ask why the truly thinking and normal
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-0 ... er-weekend
Democrats who may watch the ship go down on countless workers who already are, and have been abused as the Locust Republican also who are joined to the hip with the White Flags as Larry Summers knows they truly are in zones because Romney would not explain actual issues of needed structural reforms and the current illness of GOP group think that we must pay or else for miscreants who cannot cross there legs. A few cases are pending on paying by law for issues beyond the scope of decency and conviction of thinking people. Not all r or d are bad, as d and r are good in a sense of the air of simple realism called the Book and the Letter. I seen one who harmed many got a package from skynet and that is what we know as totalitarian political system masquerading as a religion and moderates understand confusion shelters corruption so it just that simple all over. For those circles to consider Toynbee's later goals of the over the pond Human Action or Modelski and Thompson fatalism I consider Annuit Coeptis the borrowed time as the nature to covet. As you ask the three levels indeed it does not reflect what was and the balances that should be.