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Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by John » Sat May 05, 2018 6:28 pm

sue wrote: > Interesting though disappointing comments. Having been a Military
> Case Worker during Gulf 1, I witnessed yet another American
> globalist unfinished war. We peasants eternally pay for those and
> the ensuing Marshal Plans. Despite his pretense, Saddam
> understood and spoke English quite well. He confided to his
> pre-hanging American physician that he regretted nothing but being
> caught. To believe that Iranian leaders were and are less
> psychopathic is foolishness. Criticism of Israel is ludicrous as
> they have now surpassed any nation in education, innovation,
> military strategy, leadership and raw courage. I doubt John's
> post will make Breibart, and that is a loss to us all. Bravo,
> John, and a braced salute.
You're right that they refused to post this article on Breitbart.
This is the third time my article was censored in the last month or
so. To fight this kind of censorship is one of the reasons why Andrew
Breitbart started the web site in the first place.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by Guest » Fri May 04, 2018 12:39 am

John wrote:There are lots of scenarios. It might be a "Pearl Harbor" type
attack with nuclear weapons. Or it might be a ground war in
Kashmir that gradually builds until one side or the other decides
to use a tactical nuclear weapon.
I think the type of attack is different in different eras.
In an awakening era, I would expect that attacks would have limited scope with an immediate goal in mind.
In an unravelling era, I would expect gradual escalation would be more common.
I would expect that a full unreserved assault beginning with nuclear weapons, would be more common in a crisis era.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by John » Thu May 03, 2018 11:24 pm

Trevor wrote: > Yeah, I remember how many people who are now screaming it was the
> greatest mistake in the history of humanity were pushing for an
> invasion back in 2002. Certainly it wasn't universal, but it was
> the majority.
That's true. I'll bet Shoshin was leading the pack demanding war
against Saddam.
Trevor wrote: > Worst case scenario is that Iran would have a nuclear weapon right
> now. And once they built one, the other Middle Eastern powers
> would soon follow.

> John, would you expect the war to begin with nuclear weapons or
> would you expect them to be used a bit later, likely by whoever is
> losing the fight?
There are lots of scenarios. It might be a "Pearl Harbor" type
attack with nuclear weapons. Or it might be a ground war in
Kashmir that gradually builds until one side or the other decides
to use a tactical nuclear weapon.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by Guest » Thu May 03, 2018 10:43 pm

Guest wrote:This just proves once again how evil Israel is. Israel has a long history of such things: like bombing innocent civilians in Syria or kidnapping members of other countries' militaries or firebombing other countries embassies. Decent countries like Iran would NEVER do such things.

And now Israel is admitting to breaking and entering, burglary, theft, and espionage -- all on Iran's sovereign territory! Just criminal, absolutely criminal. And all of these horrendous crimes for what? Some measly nuclear weapons that never did anyone any harm? This is WAY our of proportion.
Wasn't it Iran that held those American soldiers hostage during the Carter days.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by Trevor » Thu May 03, 2018 10:19 pm

Yeah, I remember how many people who are now screaming it was the greatest mistake in the history of humanity were pushing for an invasion back in 2002. Certainly it wasn't universal, but it was the majority.

Worst case scenario is that Iran would have a nuclear weapon right now. And once they built one, the other Middle Eastern powers would soon follow.

John, would you expect the war to begin with nuclear weapons or would you expect them to be used a bit later, likely by whoever is losing the fight?

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by John » Thu May 03, 2018 9:39 pm

Trevor wrote: > I'd also point out that sooner or later, we'd have been dragged
> back into the country. Imagine what would have happened during the
> Arab Spring with Saddam still in power. He'd have attempted to do
> what Assad's been doing in Syria, only with much weaker military
> capabilities. Iran would have jumped at the chance to overthrow
> him.
Also, as I've pointed out in the past, if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq in
2003, then during the 2004 election Shoshin would have been leading
the people claiming that Saddam still had WMDs and that Bush was too
weak to stand up to him, so Bush would have lost the election.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by Trevor » Thu May 03, 2018 9:04 pm

I'd also point out that sooner or later, we'd have been dragged back into the country. Imagine what would have happened during the Arab Spring with Saddam still in power. He'd have attempted to do what Assad's been doing in Syria, only with much weaker military capabilities. Iran would have jumped at the chance to overthrow him.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by John » Thu May 03, 2018 6:06 pm

shoshin wrote: > So John, we should be cheered by your counterfactual: "If we HAD
> NOT nvaded Iraq, this terrible thing WOULD HAVE happened."

> Versus actual reality: More than 4000 American soldiers dead,.
> Approximately 10 times that number wounded, some grievously, all
> needing care for the rest of their lives, an expense to be paid by
> future generations. Multi-purpose billions (trillions?) spent and
> still being spent. ISIS.

> Thanks, but I still think it was a catastrophe.
"still being spent?" "ISIS"

Right. Every problem that's occurred anywhere in the world is
the fault of Bush and the Iraq war.

Starting in 2017, every problem that occurs anywhere in the world
is the fault of Trump.

Every problem in the world is the fault of either Bush or Trump.
It's a good thing that we have a Clinton or an Obama every now
and then to straighten the world out.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by shoshin » Thu May 03, 2018 5:20 pm

So John, we should be cheered by your counterfactual: "If we HAD NOT nvaded Iraq, this terrible thing WOULD HAVE happened."

Versus actual reality:
More than 4000 American soldiers dead,.
Approximately 10 times that number wounded, some grievously, all needing care for the rest of their lives, an expense to be paid by future generations.
Multi-purpose billions (trillions?) spent and still being spent.
ISIS.

Thanks, but I still think it was a catastrophe.

Re: 3-May-18 World View -- Israel reveals intelligence coup on Iran's nuclear weapons program

by Guest » Thu May 03, 2018 3:50 pm

This just proves once again how evil Israel is. Israel has a long history of such things: like bombing innocent civilians in Syria or kidnapping members of other countries' militaries or firebombing other countries embassies. Decent countries like Iran would NEVER do such things.

And now Israel is admitting to breaking and entering, burglary, theft, and espionage -- all on Iran's sovereign territory! Just criminal, absolutely criminal. And all of these horrendous crimes for what? Some measly nuclear weapons that never did anyone any harm? This is WAY our of proportion.

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