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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:31 pm

John wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:17 pm

Last year, antifa-blm fascists were burning down cities across the
country. Kamala Harris and AOC praised these fascist acts as "social
justice." This was the exact analogue to the Nazi Kristallnacht.

The point I'm making is that I'm challenging both you and Navi in the
sense that in the current evironment, there is no law. If you
criticize media censorship then you're a criminal because, by twisted
reasoning, you're advocating criminal behavior. But if you advocate
censorship, then you're indirectly approving of antifa-blm fascist
violence, which means that you're a hero supporting "social justice,"
not a criminal.

There was a time, not so long ago, when such insanity did not prevail
in America. But it does today. And it's getting progressively worse,
every day, as symbolized by the March of the Penguins.
Rioting and causing damage, looting, burning, smashing windows is all in fact illegal. Leaders praising such things are advocating what is actually illegal. And it is dead wrong.

There is still, for the most part, the rule of law. When government leaders decide NOT to enforce the law, things just go from extremely bad to worse (think DeBlasio and what is going on in NYC, or those in charge in Portland).

I don't think that criticizing media censorship is illegal, at least not last time I checked. It may get you blackballed, but not arrested. Still, there should be NO penalties for expressing your opinion, so long as you are not advocating violence. And advocating violence is actually illegal.

Most of the problems you are talking about are due to the hypocrisy of many on the Left (or extreme Right). They are OK with flagrant law breaking, so long as it appears to promote their viewpoint or cause. But if it doesn't, THEN they will come after you with the full force of the law.

This Hypocrisy is long standing with the Left. Republicans in Nixon's time were ready to convict him in the Senate. He did wrong and was about to suffer the consequences (Justice applies to all - the fundamental conservative value). Democrats in Clinton's time would not convict him in the Senate because his political views were the same as theirs, even though he was guilty of Perjury, Witness Tampering, Sexual Harassment, and probably guilty of Rape.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by John » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:17 pm

** 26-Jan-2021 World View: Illegal actions
spottybrowncow wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:02 pm
> Not to speak for Navigator, but I think that he understands
> perfectly well. What guards at Nazi death camps did was likely
> legal based on the country's laws at that time, but I don't think
> anyone would now fault someone who disobeyed. Soldiers have a duty
> to disobey "illegal" orders, but that line has, I believe,
> historically been blurry. History would undoubtedly record George
> Washington's army as a bunch of traitors if they had lost. Given
> that the appropriateness of these type actions is often determined
> only in retrospect, drawing lines in the sand in advance probably
> serves no constructive purpose.
Last year, antifa-blm fascists were burning down cities across the
country. Kamala Harris and AOC praised these fascist acts as "social
justice." This was the exact analogue to the Nazi Kristallnacht.

The point I'm making is that I'm challenging both you and Navi in the
sense that in the current evironment, there is no law. If you
criticize media censorship then you're a criminal because, by twisted
reasoning, you're advocating criminal behavior. But if you advocate
censorship, then you're indirectly approving of antifa-blm fascist
violence, which means that you're a hero supporting "social justice,"
not a criminal.

There was a time, not so long ago, when such insanity did not prevail
in America. But it does today. And it's getting progressively worse,
every day, as symbolized by the March of the Penguins.

** 12-Jan-21 World View -- America and the standard Genocide Playbook
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e210112

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:08 pm

Now, having said all of that, lets get at what I actually wrote concerning Gun ownership:

1. No confiscation. What you have now is yours.
2. Need to certify that you can safely operate the weapon you want to buy before you get to buy it.
3. Stricter and more complete background checks.
4. Allowing the State, not Federal Government, to do most firearms regulations.

And, by the way, we already have gun control, it is called the National Firearms Act of 1934. It was passed to seriously restrict the ownership of fully automatic weapons (think the gangsters with Thompson submachine guns during prohibition). Almost everyone today believes this is reasonable. Here are some things that even I might be tempted to get if this was not extremely difficult:

An M2 .50 cal Machine Gun
A 60mm (better yet an 81mm) mortar
A 40mm grenade launcher for my AR-15
An Automatic grenade launcher
A 75mm Pack Howitzer

I know how to use each of these, and can do so safely, yet I am perfectly fine with knowing that I cannot buy one of these things for my own personal use, as almost no-one else can either.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by spottybrowncow » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:02 pm

Cool Breeze wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:23 pm
It seems that Navi didn't even get that "passing laws" that are unconstitutional on their face, and subsequently obeying them, is NOT what an American would do. As we have already reached this point in many ways, each man has to decide for himself what to do, what risk and what gain he might have.

The idea that you are "holding America together" or "making good on the social contract" at this point by listening or bring obedient to leaders who hate our Constitution, is silly.
Not to speak for Navigator, but I think that he understands perfectly well. What guards at Nazi death camps did was likely legal based on the country's laws at that time, but I don't think anyone would now fault someone who disobeyed. Soldiers have a duty to disobey "illegal" orders, but that line has, I believe, historically been blurry. History would undoubtedly record George Washington's army as a bunch of traitors if they had lost. Given that the appropriateness of these type actions is often determined only in retrospect, drawing lines in the sand in advance probably serves no constructive purpose.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:59 pm

Cool Breeze wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:23 pm
It seems that Navi didn't even get that "passing laws" that are unconstitutional on their face, and subsequently obeying them, is NOT what an American would do. As we have already reached this point in many ways, each man has to decide for himself what to do, what risk and what gain he might have.

The idea that you are "holding America together" or "making good on the social contract" at this point by listening or bring obedient to leaders who hate our Constitution, is silly.
Our system is designed to have the courts decide what is unconstitutional or not. Not the individual.

If you decide not to obey some law that you personally believe is wrong, but the government believes is right, here is what will happen:

You will get arrested. You will have a police record. You will most likely lose your job as a result (and you won't be able to pass the background check to get a new job).

You will need to retain a lawyer to defend you in court. This will cost you thousands of dollars. They will probably not be able to get the charges dismissed, since you are actually breaking the law. Jail time and financial penalties will then be involved. You will then have a permanent conviction record, which is far worse than just a Police record.

You could, of course, decide to not allow the police to arrest you. You could fight back. This won't end well. You will either be dead, or will have other charges brought against you (resisting arrest, attempted murder).

So. Go ahead and "decide for yourself" what laws you are going to obey or not. It will NOT work out well for you.

Are you really going to shoot at the police and the National Guard? Good luck with that.

The leaders may indeed actually hate the constitution, but that is what gives us the framework for removing such leaders.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by spottybrowncow » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:50 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:04 pm
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:30 pm
it isn't that the "old duties" have been forgotten, it's more that the state has forbidden individual citizens from taking action by monopolizing the use of force. Try to form a posse now and the police will arrest you and throw you in jail.
Agreed that if a pro isn’t around, any citizen should be able to enforce the law. But that should be an immediate reaction when the pros have not had time to get there. Gathering a bunch of people to take a later action is no longer part of the plan. And, alas, training to take action effectively and safely is often forbidden.

But the threats have changed. The duties have been forgotten.
As I understand it, anyone CAN enforce the law ("citizen's arrest"), you just don't have the legal protections the police do. Why risk it.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Bob Butler » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:33 pm
I think you're still missing the point: taking the kind of actions you're saying have been forgotten are explicitly prohibited and doing them will result in your imprisonment. As time has gone by the state has become more and more jealous of its police powers and protects its monopoly. Is it any wonder than people have been taught to stand back and let the professionals handle it? You're guilty of it yourself in your push to prohibit guns that were considered perfectly acceptable 20-30 years ago let alone 40-50 years ago.
I’m entirely with variety store clerks keeping a weapon they know how to use under the counter. As far as I know, such is not prohibited or forbidden in most places. Now, gathering friends and going after the bad guy after the fact is frowned upon.

The Miller court case did establish a precedent that whatever weapon is not used by the average infantryman has nothing to do with the militia and thus can be regulated. This was a Jim Crow era precedent, but has not been overthrown. At the time, gangsters were common and carried sawed off shotguns and tommy guns which were not carried by the army or guard. It was a cheap way to set up a weapons ban so the judge thought himself clever. Of course, the tommy gun was commonly used in World War II, and Vietnam era tunnel crawlers commonly used shotguns. In the modern day, the army commonly carries assault rifles. Thus, the Miller precdent and litmus test is questionable.

I half remember a story about a Middle East war vet who found himself much later driving into a terrorist incident with his family. He noted where the two sets of combatants were, what the firing lanes were, and got his family out of danger. Nothing wrong with that? Yet, in many places wearing a uniform and sharing practical experience in combat is forbidden.

Seeing some of the capitol insurrectionists in full combat uniforms walking in single file with their hands on the guy in front of them has thus far not gathered them special attention or charges? This is apparently a standard tactic used by the military when assaulting buildings. Should groups share the lessons they learned in the military?

Now, I am not sure which point I am missing or what you think my opinions are. Could you be more explicit?

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by FullMoon » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:02 pm

I'm preparing for a good show this year. However much some would deride the book Navi wrote, it's still a good base for those of us who haven't caught on until now that systemic fragility affects our ability to survive. Skills and knowledge are needed to survive. Navigator helped John and some of us. Read it and comments in the appropriate section. No BS otherwise.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by John » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:47 pm

** 26-Jan-2021 World View: The World is Hanging by a Thread
DaKardii wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:54 pm
> I don't know what to say or to think right now, as the world hangs
> on by just a thread. I need to disconnect for a while...
I can't say I blame you. What I see is extremely depressing. Things
have really gotten seriously worse in the last year. And there is no
better symbol of the insanity of the Democrats than yesterday's March
of the Penguins to deliver a document for a farcical impeachment to
remove from office someone who is no longer in office, and which even
the Supreme Court Chief Justice has rejected.

Here's something that I posted yesterday in the financial thread:
Higgenbotham wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:12 pm
> The bubble is getting crazier and crazier.

> FUBO and IRBT were the craziest ones I saw today. Don't know
> about FUBO but there was no news on IRBT, and it moved up and down
> almost 50%.
The whole world is getting crazier and crazier. The links
that aeden posted yesterday are good examples, especially about
the bitcoin ponzi scheme and the "Holocaust level" atrocities
going on in China.

Add to that the growing level of violent antifa-blm riots in cities
across the country. (The laugh is that Pelosi wants to keep National
Guard troops in DC, supposedly to prevent violence by the "Proud
Boys." That's completely laughable. What's scaring her to death is
the antifa-blm fascist violence returning to DC, as it did last
summer.)

Add to that a president who spent the last year hiding in his basement,
who visibly has no idea what's going on, and is performing wholesale
reversal of all the protections that Trump put in to protect us,
appeasing the Chinese, opening the southern borders, and killing
energy independence, all with no rhyme or reason except emotional
hatred of Trump and his 75 million supporters.

So yes, the stock market bubble is getting crazier and crazier. So is
the political stupidity bubble.

Here are the two links posted by aeden:

-- The Crackdown on Human Rights in China 2016-2020
https://conservativepartyhumanrightscom ... Report.pdf
(UK Human Rights Commission, Jan 2021):

-- Tether / The Bit Short: Inside Crypto’s Doomsday Machine
https://crypto-anonymous-2021.medium.co ... dcf78a64d3
(Crypto-Anonymous, 14-Jan-2021)

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Cool Breeze » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:25 pm

Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:33 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:04 pm
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:30 pm
it isn't that the "old duties" have been forgotten, it's more that the state has forbidden individual citizens from taking action by monopolizing the use of force. Try to form a posse now and the police will arrest you and throw you in jail.
Agreed that if a pro isn’t around, any citizen should be able to enforce the law. But that should be an immediate reaction when the pros have not had time to get there. Gathering a bunch of people to take a later action is no longer part of the plan. And, alas, training to take action effectively and safely is often forbidden.

But the threats have changed. The duties have been forgotten.
I think you're still missing the point: taking the kind of actions you're saying have been forgotten are explicitly prohibited and doing them will result in your imprisonment. As time has gone by the state has become more and more jealous of its police powers and protects its monopoly. Is it any wonder than people have been taught to stand back and let the professionals handle it? You're guilty of it yourself in your push to prohibit guns that were considered perfectly acceptable 20-30 years ago let alone 40-50 years ago.
Don't waste your time, Xeraphim.

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