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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by DaKardii » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:30 pm

AP: India, China soldiers brawl again along disputed frontier

https://apnews.com/article/china-asia-p ... 643bb6e3ec

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Xeraphim1 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:07 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:30 am
Navigator wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm
I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I would negotiate power if the basics were agreed on in principle. Agreed magazines are impossible to regulate, but would be enforced after the fact.
What I am getting at is that you seem to be fine with things the way they are right now (minus "powerful" rounds).

Stopping the sale of magazines would be a joke, as they are easily made on 3D printers. And, as you agreed, confiscating existing ones would be impossible.
Proposing to get rid of the military weapons while guaranteeing the rurals what they need most. Given you need both groups to agree, what would you propose?
But what is a "military weapon"? For many on the Left the definition of "assault weapon" (a term that doesn't really exist) is a normal weapon that looks scary. When I was 12 my father got me a Marlin 10/22 .22 rifle; semiautomatic with a 18 shot tubular magazine. This same rifle has been in production since 1964 and presumably is perfectly fine. But what if I swapped out the fixed magazine for a detachable box magazine? What it I added a pistol grip and a folding stock? For most of the Left this would be an ASSAULT WEAPON!!!!!!

Automatic weapons are already banned from private possession without a class 3 license which is not easy to get. Heavy weapons are banned with no exception. Keep in mind that at the time the Constitution was signed private citizens owned cannon and the only reason they didn't have better weapons than flintlocks was because they didn't exist yet.

The discussion on rational limitations on firearms took place a long time ago. What you're discussing is neither rational nor reasonable. I encourage you to do more research into the issue rather than relying on false talking points.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:19 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:30 am
Navigator wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm
I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I would negotiate power if the basics were agreed on in principle. Agreed magazines are impossible to regulate, but would be enforced after the fact.
What I am getting at is that you seem to be fine with things the way they are right now (minus "powerful" rounds).

Stopping the sale of magazines would be a joke, as they are easily made on 3D printers. And, as you agreed, confiscating existing ones would be impossible.
Proposing to get rid of the military weapons while guaranteeing the rurals what they need most. Given you need both groups to agree, what would you propose?
My proposal is in the "What to Do" portion of the second blog post on Guns in America:

https://www.comingstorms.com/guns-in-america-part-two/

Note that it has Nothing to do with confiscation or making firearms illegal. But it does require better vetting and above all training/certification.

I won't go shooting with people who don't know what they are doing, and I have been around too many. For example, You don't load your weapon at your truck and then go to where you will be shooting.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Bob Butler » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:30 am

Navigator wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm
I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I would negotiate power if the basics were agreed on in principle. Agreed magazines are impossible to regulate, but would be enforced after the fact.
What I am getting at is that you seem to be fine with things the way they are right now (minus "powerful" rounds).

Stopping the sale of magazines would be a joke, as they are easily made on 3D printers. And, as you agreed, confiscating existing ones would be impossible.
Proposing to get rid of the military weapons while guaranteeing the rurals what they need most. Given you need both groups to agree, what would you propose?

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:30 am

Guest wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:53 am
This gun discussion reminds me of a bumper sticker back in the 80's and 90's.

If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Too many "bad guys" have illegal guns. Those guns will not be the ones confiscated, only the registered guns can be confiscated. And where would they put all those confiscated guns? In warehouses? Not very safe.

Once the law abiding citizens have turned in their guns, the bad guys will launch a reign of terror like no other in our history. First they'll strike the warehouses. They'll arm their gangs. Bank robberies, rapes, home invasions, murders just to watch them die (criminals seeking revenge), etc. It would overwhelm our police forces, especially after they have been defunded.

We have a neighboring country where cartels with massive amounts of guns would not think twice about invading our borders to join that reign of terror with their own brand of carnage. They want our money, our young girls and our drugs. It would not take them long to entrench themselves. Our military would have to be called in. Martial law. Innocent people in the crossfire.

How long would it take for a foreign military to see the opportunity to invade? They don't want to nuke us, they want our resources. This would not be a march-in invasion. They would tell our gullible government they want to help us. Then they would rob us blind. Our food, water, oil, coal, etc. etc. is the price we would have to pay. In reality, they are helping the criminals and cartels. Once we are on our knees, they exterminate us.

I'm certain that our founding fathers meant the 2nd Amendment to be for our personal safety AND for the safety of our nation. Freedom must be protected. Guns are a necessary evil and a huge deterrent to criminals and foreign invaders.
Unless Navi's book includes a final chapter on emigrating from the United States, I won't buy it.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:28 am

There is nothing green about an E.V., nothing.

It is virtue signaling magical thinking.

Lots of magical thinking out there these days.

I owned a Honda hybrid. I owned it ten years and went through three batteries. The hybrid auto battery for the Honda civic fits behind the back seat. I'm not sure how much it weighs but it is big.

None of those batteries are recycled. They go straight to the dump. The claimed life cycle of hybrid batteries is 7 to 10 years. BS. On my Honda, the lifespan was 3.33 years. Lucky for me, the batteries were replaced while under warranty. By the end, the cost of the battery at $4000 versus the depreciated sales price of the car, at $6000 would have made paying for another battery stupid.

Same thing for solar panels. I know the salespeople say they will last for 15 to 20 years. BS. Where do solar panels go? The nearest landfill.

I can't believe how stupid people have become to think that EVs and Hybrids are clean energy. They are not. Nor is solar.

And where do you get cobolt for EVs, mostly the Congo. The land of Ebola, warlords, mass rape, genocide on an epic scale, and poverty that would shock the North Koreans. How is this better than buying oil from Canada or fracking oil in America?

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:53 am

This gun discussion reminds me of a bumper sticker back in the 80's and 90's.

If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Too many "bad guys" have illegal guns. Those guns will not be the ones confiscated, only the registered guns can be confiscated. And where would they put all those confiscated guns? In warehouses? Not very safe.

Once the law abiding citizens have turned in their guns, the bad guys will launch a reign of terror like no other in our history. First they'll strike the warehouses. They'll arm their gangs. Bank robberies, rapes, home invasions, murders just to watch them die (criminals seeking revenge), etc. It would overwhelm our police forces, especially after they have been defunded.

We have a neighboring country where cartels with massive amounts of guns would not think twice about invading our borders to join that reign of terror with their own brand of carnage. They want our money, our young girls and our drugs. It would not take them long to entrench themselves. Our military would have to be called in. Martial law. Innocent people in the crossfire.

How long would it take for a foreign military to see the opportunity to invade? They don't want to nuke us, they want our resources. This would not be a march-in invasion. They would tell our gullible government they want to help us. Then they would rob us blind. Our food, water, oil, coal, etc. etc. is the price we would have to pay. In reality, they are helping the criminals and cartels. Once we are on our knees, they exterminate us.

I'm certain that our founding fathers meant the 2nd Amendment to be for our personal safety AND for the safety of our nation. Freedom must be protected. Guns are a necessary evil and a huge deterrent to criminals and foreign invaders.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:02 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm
I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I would negotiate power if the basics were agreed on in principle. Agreed magazines are impossible to regulate, but would be enforced after the fact.
What I am getting at is that you seem to be fine with things the way they are right now (minus "powerful" rounds).

Stopping the sale of magazines would be a joke, as they are easily made on 3D printers. And, as you agreed, confiscating existing ones would be impossible.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Bob Butler » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 pm

Navigator wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:31 pm
Well, this means that any semi-automatic would be fine, which is what the rules are now. As for no shots above a "given power", that is pretty vague. Given bullet technology, just about anything can be made lethal, regardless of the caliber.

Also, states are the ones currently regulating firearms, so no additional changes there either.

Magazine size doesn't do much to stop shooting, as the real limit in a mass shooting event is how much ammo can you actually carry with you. Plus, bad guys would have the larger magazines anyway (how would you confiscate magazines?).
I'm sure more knowledgeable people than I would negotiate power if the basics were agreed on in principle. Agreed magazines are impossible to regulate, but would be enforced after the fact.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Navigator » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:59 pm

John wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:33 pm
The Democrats changed the filibuster rule in 2013 for lower court judges,
and lived to regret setting the precedent. They may have learned their
lesson.
Thanks for the additional background John.

We do, as you have mentioned before, have a great system of checks and balances. Messing with this system has always brought trouble.

In the past I mentioned, for example, what a mess the 17th Amendment made of the Senate, turning the Senate into a popularity based body, rather than an appointed body, which was the original intent.

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