16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by FishbellykanakaDude » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:52 pm

"How will the Chinese Diaspora react?"
Look at Thailand, Singapore, and other parts of asia with large-ish numbers of Chinese.

John is correct, that if China is "the bad guy" then they will not take positions opposed to "the non-Chinese" side.

The Chinese diaspora takes "control" of a region by business dominance. They can't do that in large western non-asian countries (regions).

If they (the diaspora in aggregate) see China (proper) as losing influence, and wronged, they will work covertly to weaken China's adversaries.

Ethnic minorities (of the supremacist variety) attempt to incrementally take power by bloc-voting in a racial separatist manner. Once they hold a certain minimum of the polity (percentage of the population) and a certain minimum of administrative/legislative power, they vote themselves (and their adversaries) into a "one party state", which forces their "adversaries" into the countryside.

Then a resentment fueled generational crisis (and eventual crisis war) comes along, and those who are the traditional constituents of "the nation" slaughter any "separatists" they can lay their hands on,.. and once that blood is tasted, the thirst grows exponentially with time, setting the resentful nations to war with each other, until... well, you know.

The primary sign of the "turn" toward the downfall of the separatists is when the youth (the "millenials") flip their "theology" from SJWarriorism to nationalism.

And I'm not saying that that "turn" is a bad thing! Nationalism is infinitely more desirable than SJWarriorism, but when that flip happens, and SJWarriorism starts losing large numbers of "adherents", the course is set for war within 2 to 4 years, but not likely LESS than 2 years, because it takes 2 years, or two "Christmases, Spring Breaks and Summer Concert Rallies", (at least) to fully energize the young nationalists.

Aloha nui guys. :) <shaka!>

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by Tom Mazanec » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:23 pm

Really, we are in uncharted waters here. We have never had a Crisis War between two Powers with the ability to kill most of their population.

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by Guest » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:49 am

Tom Mazanec wrote:I met a Chinese person at Toastmasters. I asked her this. Her reply was along the lines of "There will be no war. America just has to grow up and learn its place."
I would have socked that bitch in the mouth.

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by CrouchingTiger » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:10 pm

Tom Mazanec wrote:I met a Chinese person at Toastmasters. I asked her this. Her reply was along the lines of "There will be no war. America just has to grow up and learn its place."
I remember back in college I took an asian history class. One of the recurring themes when discussing china was they are incredibly conservative. They always are seeking to return to some "golden" era of their history (as to which era depends on the time). As their view goes they were the center of the world for so long and everyone wanted to be them and buy their product until by some "fluke" England came upon industrialization and were able to suppress them but that was just a temporary setback. Give it some time and the world will return to its "natural" state and china will be restored to its golden era.

All I can see from the chinese reinforces that this is how they see the world.

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by Coordinated fires » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:57 pm

Tom Mazanec wrote:I met a Chinese person at Toastmasters. I asked her this. Her reply was along the lines of "There will be no war. America just has to grow up and learn its place."
yes. Make way for the new Chinese greater-asian co-prosperity sphere! I can't wait!

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by Tom Mazanec » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:59 pm

I met a Chinese person at Toastmasters. I asked her this. Her reply was along the lines of "There will be no war. America just has to grow up and learn its place."

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:46 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:
John wrote: Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.
You, sir, are a genius. It's for the good of mankind you know. 8-)

I always admire someone like yourself who's willing to make a big
personal sacrifice. You're a hero!!

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by Coordinated fires » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:35 pm

John wrote: Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.
You, sir, are a genius. It's for the good of mankind you know. 8-)

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by sue » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:52 pm

The two "sides" here are clearly drawn. Australia's reliance on UN proclamations is iffy at best. Any nation that accepts international "law" over its own self-interest is doomed. This is old hat, but does anyone remember the role of the League of Nations in war?
China is clearly aggressively pursuing an expanding empire. Attempting to make nice with the Chinese for access to cheap foreign goods is mendacious and dangerous.
President Trump: when will you realize that this NWO parlaying is fruitless and wastes valuable time and assets. Also: WTH are you accepting even one (1) muslim from Australia's pound of mixed nuts island into America. Will they be living in the White House or Maraloga? Not in my neighborhood you don't.

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

by John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:44 pm

Coordinated fires wrote: > What role will the massive Chinese diaspora in western countries
> play in a prolonged military conflict with China.

> I live in a neighborhood in an urban center that has been the
> recipient of a particularly large influx of recent Chinese
> immigrants over the last five years or so. They have failed to
> integrate well, partially because of the "enclave effect". On the
> contrary, the signage and advertisements in this area are in many
> cases written in Chinese. This seems to me to be the precise
> opposite of integration.

> I go to school with many of them and they don't seem to have any
> interest in interacting with anyone outside of their ethnic
> community, is it racist to worry that these communities may have
> not embraced any sense of loyalty to their new country, or even
> have its best interest at heart? I'm trying real hard to swim
> against the generational current here and not fall into the pit of
> xenophobia, but I worry that my country is being changed
> permanently in ways we don't yet fully understand...and it seems
> verboten to even question this.
John wrote: > It's hard to say. We have two examples from WW II to look at. The
> Japanese were interned, and that's considered today to have been a
> mistake. The Germans were not interned, and there was no sign
> that they were siding with the Nazis.

> A lot depends on who is perceived to be at fault for the war. The
> Nazis and Imperial Japanese were clearly at fault in WW II. If
> China is similarly viewed as being at fault, then I would expect
> the Chinese diaspora to aid in the war on the side of the US. But
> if it's perceived that the US is at fault, then at the very least
> the Chinese will have mixed emotions.

You might be able to find out the answer to this question simply by
asking. See if you can strike up a friendly conversation with one of
these students, and ask, "I'm worried that that China and the US are
going to war. Do you think that will happen?" or "I'm writing a term
paper on the chances of war with China, and I wonder if I could ask
you a few questions that would help me with the paper." Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.

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