29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missile

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Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by FishbellykanakaDude » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:19 pm

Tom Mazanec wrote:My personal guess is that China will continue pushing, getting what it wants, and then sometime (probably under Trump) America will say "That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more!" and then war. It will be like in 1939...Hitler wasn't "ready" for war, he had been getting what he wanted (Austria, Sudetenland, etc) but when he went into Poland Britain said "Enough is enough" and the SHTF.
Yup.

I'm guessing right after the next US Pres election. Maybe the spring after that.

Then again, perhaps they (China) won't think they're "ready-est" enough at that time (45% confidence) and make a few more pushes, each one nearly exponentially bigger than the last, until the "Popeye Threshold" is met and the US prompts them to "strike first".

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by Tom Mazanec » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:03 am

My personal guess is that China will continue pushing, getting what it wants, and then sometime (probably under Trump) America will say "That's all I can stands and I can't stands no more!" and then war. It will be like in 1939...Hitler wasn't "ready" for war, he had been getting what he wanted (Austria, Sudetenland, etc) but when he went into Poland Britain said "Enough is enough" and the SHTF.

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by Enough » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:14 am

Most Americans can't even remember when the NKs took our billions in grain and other goods, we gave them everything they wanted, in return to not pursue a nuke program and they violated the agreement once they had what they wanted. They have violated every agreement we have ever made with them. The only thing they understand is the tip of a spear stuck in their face.

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by FishbellykanakaDude » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:27 pm

OtherGuest wrote:
FishbellykanakaDude wrote:...
I wouldn't hold so much certainty. Even if China has that in mind you can't say that Kim doesn't say fuck you or some other crazy series of events unfold. These are the times were nothing can be taken for granted.
I absolutely agree with you! :)

In truth, nothing can EVER be completely taken for granted, of course. But China has more "freedom of action" than the US does, in military and "threat" terms, and I'd rather see China nuke NK than the US.

..in fact, China MIGHT take this "opportunity" to practice some actual ground maneuvers and/or conventional (non-nuke) warfare on NK soil to "contain" the massive refugee potential, and appear to be the "savior" of the world (from the "Dr. Evil" like Super-Threat of Little Kimmy and the Parasite Squad).

Great PR, military practice, and a grand diversion from "other problems" sounds like a huge gift to the Chinese, in my opinion.

..but,.. we'll see, as you're quite right that any amount of weirdness is more than possible, and highly probable.

Aloha!

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by OtherGuest » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:46 pm

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:...oh, and I do agree with you that a preemptive strike would be wise if China doesn't step in and "solve" the problem.

But China will, so I'm seeing the whole "preemptive" thing as an interesting wargaming exercise, and not a whole lot more.

China's NOT ready,.. so there will be no escalation of war between the US and China, but one way or another NK will be "changed/neutralized", and if we have to do it, so be it. Might actually give us an opportunity to practice some skills,.. who knows.

Fair winds! :)
I wouldn't hold so much certainty. Even if China has that in mind you can't say that Kim doesn't say fuck you or some other crazy series of events unfold. These are the times were nothing can be taken for granted.

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by FishbellykanakaDude » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:36 am

...oh, and I do agree with you that a preemptive strike would be wise if China doesn't step in and "solve" the problem.

But China will, so I'm seeing the whole "preemptive" thing as an interesting wargaming exercise, and not a whole lot more.

China's NOT ready,.. so there will be no escalation of war between the US and China, but one way or another NK will be "changed/neutralized", and if we have to do it, so be it. Might actually give us an opportunity to practice some skills,.. who knows.

Fair winds! :)

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by FishbellykanakaDude » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:25 am

Guest wrote:
FishbellykanakaDude wrote:
Guest wrote:Considering the danger North Korea poses, isn't a preemptive attack a good idea?
What would be good about it?

I'm not disagreeing with you (necessarily), just curious about how you suppose a "preemptive attack" would play out, from the "very pre preemptive" part to the "distant post preemptive" part. :)

..in other words, it'd be helpful if you'd show your work,.. which could be REALLY interesting.
P.S. You're an idiot.
And you're interested in nothing but shutting other people up, creating a "one party totalitarian master-slave state" (bearing your likeness), and implementing (from your own perspective) the goals of "Black Lives Matter", International Answer, and the various other "Critical Theory" ideologies with their bloodlust for "Supremacist Separatism" brought about by murderous genocide.

..in other words, the USUAL killer sheep "interests" of an irrational slave who fancies himself a sub-master within the master-slave hierarchy of his murderous genocidal cohort.

In other words (again), the usual screeching mob member who can't put three coherent thoughts together to communicate with another person what they're thinking.

Now, that said,.. I REALLY would like to hear your thoughts on what you see as the course of events for this preemptive attack scenario that you were talking about. :)

Unlike you, I'm always interested in hearing MORE from my "adversaries", as it can be quite enlightening. The more we hear from "you", the more "our" (ie those opposed to "you") case is made.

Said with "not quite enough" aloha, but still wishing you as much aloha as you can handle, as you're in dire need of it.

Mahalo buckeroo! <shaka!>

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by Guest » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:07 pm

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:
Guest wrote:Considering the danger North Korea poses, isn't a preemptive attack a good idea?
What would be good about it?

I'm not disagreeing with you (necessarily), just curious about how you suppose a "preemptive attack" would play out, from the "very pre preemptive" part to the "distant post preemptive" part. :)

..in other words, it'd be helpful if you'd show your work,.. which could be REALLY interesting.
P.S. You're an idiot.

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by Guest » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 pm

I would rather have NK destroyed than wait for American cities to be destroyed first. It's ridiculous to allow a failed state to threaten and blackmail entire countries. It can't be done without millions of deaths, but America didn't ask for this. NK is picking a fight it can't win. Would you prefer we wait until 8 million Americans are killed in a nuclear attack, or strike first and save ourselves? Does your position on the moral high ground prevent you from clearly seeing what is happening below? ---JP

Re: 29-Nov-17 World View -- Pakistan government totally capitulates to hardline Islamist TLYRAP mob / North Korea missil

by Tom Mazanec » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:40 pm

At this point there are no good ideas left.

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