Guest wrote:Disease or more likely, infection, will soon kill millions or even billions of people. Water and soil pollution will make it much worse. Major Wars might be averted in the face of a new plague. Wars on a small scale yes, but global will be difficult because of the lack of resources. I think war is a necessary function, like drinking enough water. War will wipe away the excess people. Life has always been a crap shoot anyway. Good luck...
War, per se, is only necessary (a necessary function of biological/negentropic processes) for humans (at least) because humans are extremely lazy en masse (or in large-ish groups, or very often in smallish groups).
There are no "excess people". There are only "less than positively useful" people.
I do agree that war IS a naturally occurring nature-imposed method of "lifeform hygiene" (as it's easy and "surfs" the dynamics involved "like a BOSS!"). It's only truly necessary if one lacks imagination, and fear and hatred are two of the greatest inhibitors of imagination and the will to do what reality based imagination illuminates as "the thing to do".
An individual life IS a crap shoot, but since the species is (and will always be) impossible to exterminate, it's just plain lazy for our self-arrogating "wise" species to not act on that wisdom,.. as to KNOW that our species (and it's associated GD cyclical dynamic) is not going away, and to also KNOW what needs doing, and then NOT doing it shows how really lazy (and possibly cowardly) we are as "a species".
Then again, kickin' the can down the road is deeply ingrained in humans, as we often have FAR better things to do than "saving the freakin' world" with our limited lifetime (especially if we're "comfortable").
This describes me perfectly, actually, so, yeah, I'm a monstrously lazy assed coward. Anyone else wanna admit to being a lazy coward?
..which is why an unassailable multi-trillionaire state-owning invincible super-tech surgical-strike military force commanding super-just-war-ethics possessing "actor" will be the only "initiator" of "doing what needs doing" we'll ever see actually act.
..which is also why we won't see such a person this cycle. Too little time, and not enough ultra-concentrated wealth. Oh well. The train will be back around in a few generations. Find a comfy spot on the bench, and make as many humans (using the appropriate technology [wink wink nudge nudge..]) as possible, cuz we need MORE humans, and obviously NOT FEWER humans.
The ONLY force that could POSSIBLY propel us (as a species) to "solve" the "GD Cycle Problem"™ is super-heightened "population existential anxiety"
Make love, to survive war, as "not war" ain't ever EVER happenin'!
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[quote="Guest"]Disease or more likely, infection, will soon kill millions or even billions of people. Water and soil pollution will make it much worse. Major Wars might be averted in the face of a new plague. Wars on a small scale yes, but global will be difficult because of the lack of resources. I think war is a necessary function, like drinking enough water. War will wipe away the excess people. Life has always been a crap shoot anyway. Good luck...[/quote]
War, per se, is only necessary (a necessary function of biological/negentropic processes) for humans (at least) because humans are extremely lazy en masse (or in large-ish groups, or very often in smallish groups).
There are no "excess people". There are only "less than positively useful" people.
I do agree that war IS a naturally occurring nature-imposed method of "lifeform hygiene" (as it's easy and "surfs" the dynamics involved "like a BOSS!"). It's only truly necessary if one lacks imagination, and fear and hatred are two of the greatest inhibitors of imagination and the will to do what reality based imagination illuminates as "the thing to do".
An individual life IS a crap shoot, but since the species is (and will always be) impossible to exterminate, it's just plain lazy for our self-arrogating "wise" species to not act on that wisdom,.. as to KNOW that our species (and it's associated GD cyclical dynamic) is not going away, and to also KNOW what needs doing, and then NOT doing it shows how really lazy (and possibly cowardly) we are as "a species".
Then again, kickin' the can down the road is deeply ingrained in humans, as we often have FAR better things to do than "saving the freakin' world" with our limited lifetime (especially if we're "comfortable").
This describes me perfectly, actually, so, yeah, I'm a monstrously lazy assed coward. Anyone else wanna admit to being a lazy coward? :)
..which is why an unassailable multi-trillionaire state-owning invincible super-tech surgical-strike military force commanding super-just-war-ethics possessing "actor" will be the only "initiator" of "doing what needs doing" we'll ever see actually act.
..which is also why we won't see such a person this cycle. Too little time, and not enough ultra-concentrated wealth. Oh well. The train will be back around in a few generations. Find a comfy spot on the bench, and make as many humans (using the appropriate technology [wink wink nudge nudge..]) as possible, cuz we need MORE humans, and obviously NOT FEWER humans.
The ONLY force that could POSSIBLY propel us (as a species) to "solve" the "GD Cycle Problem"™ is super-heightened "population existential anxiety"
Make love, to survive war, as "not war" ain't ever EVER happenin'!
Aloha nui ʻoukou! Nā pomaikaʻi īa kākou! :) <shaka!>