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[quote="John"]...

As far as I know, this sixty year solar cycle doesn't contradict
generational theory, although there's work to be done to show how this
sixty year cycle relates. Just as the moon's cycle is related to
menstrual cycles, a solar cycle could conceivably have affected
evolution.[/quote]

The 60-ish year cycle is simply 3-ish double-solar cycles, that "harmonizes" with the 80-ish year cycle (aka 4-ish double-solar cycles) that Generational Dynamics describes.

They actually "sync up"-ish every 12 double-solar cycles (240-ish years).

When they maximally de-sync, that is a period of "shuffling" of various group's timelines, such that they tend to diverge and allow for "lesser tension"-type genocidal wars,.. but when they maximally sync up, timelines tend to "converge", creating highly charged (and more extensive) tension-type genocidal wars.

This is not merely some kind of weird numerology. It's based on the basic tide of the solar system (the solar cycle), and the fact that there are 3 periods (generations) where memory moderates societal action and 1 period where memory is overruled by youthful exuberance, bringing on the genocidal panic.

Right, so what do we do with this knowledge? Until we can make the memory of the moderating "oldsters" felt by the exuberant "youngsters", nothing will stop the cycle, and to broach the subject in public is highly likely to get oneself killed for being "inhuman".

..which is why I'm glad to see 'ya but wouldn't wanna be 'ya, John Boy!! <sardonic chuckle!>

Not me. I'll die from lack of medication. ;)

[quote="psCargile"]Currency after the collapse: liquor, ammo, and gasoline.[/quote]

That will last you a few weeks, and then you will die.

Currency after the collapse: liquor, ammo, and gasoline.

[quote="FishbellykanakaDude"]
> http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/SixtyYearCycle.htm

> Personal belief(s) of mine:

> 1 generation = 2 solar cycles (slightly less actually, as
> "biology" wants to "force" generations to occur faster)

> 3 generations = typical lifespan (Time to physically mature,
> teach, and consider reality deeply.)

> 4 generations = high lifespan = Crisis Cycle (Time to "Forget".)

> (( These "equations" are a universal principle of ALL life in the
> Universe. ))

> "Existential Panic" always occurs slightly before the "typical
> lifespan" point (58<60 years). ("Death is soon!")

> "Societal Memory of Reality" lasts until slightly before the
> "Existential Panic" point (56<58). ("Fogies must DIE!")[/quote]

As far as I know, this sixty year solar cycle doesn't contradict
generational theory, although there's work to be done to show how this
sixty year cycle relates. Just as the moon's cycle is related to
menstrual cycles, a solar cycle could conceivably have affected
evolution.

Regarding this:

[quote="FishbellykanakaDude"]http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/SixtyYearCycle.htm

Personal belief(s) of mine:

1 generation = 2 solar cycles (slightly less actually, as "biology" wants to "force" generations to occur faster)
3 generations = typical lifespan (Time to physically mature, teach, and consider reality deeply.)
4 generations = high lifespan = Crisis Cycle (Time to "Forget".)
[b](( These "equations" are a universal principle of ALL life in the Universe. ))[/b]
...[/quote]

By "[b]These equations are a universal principle of ALL life in the Universe[/b]", I mean that the stellar system (any stellar system) is "pushing for" (working to create) the "AL" (Apex Lifeform) with those characteristics. It is "evolving" (honing, refining) the AL from the "stock" that is the precursor "biota" supporting that goal of evolution.

That is what the "AL-capable life producing" stellar-planetary machinery is meant to do. Rather tautological, agreed, but ALL life producing stellar systems TRY to become AL producers, and all stellar systems TRY to become life producers.

AL life is the attempted product of ALL physical processes in the universe.

Once a "provisional" planetary AL "arrives" who produces a generation (slightly less than) approximately every 2 solar (stellar) cycles, and it has "fingers", "stereo vision", and can carry things around (usually meaning bipedalism, "free arms") then it very rapidly progresses to "near-non-genocidal warmaker" status (ie humans of the last 200,000ish years).

What is the "physical link", and necessity, between the evolution of the AL and this seemingly "arbitrary" 2 solar cycle time period?

A "tide", or cyclical energy gradient, is necessary to power anything. Negentropic processes (such as life) require an energy gradient to convert disorder into order. Disorder into order, or rather non-useful order into useful order, is what life is.

So, why TWO solar (stellar) cycles!? Because chemistry demands a certain amount of absolute time for biological processes to occur, and a star with a "chemically acceptable" habitable zone (Goldilocks zone, not too hot or cold), which is also of the appropriate size/mass (not too big or small) which dictates the life-sustaining "lifespan" of the system (long enough to develop human-like life), a stable double solar cycle of somewhere centered around 20ish earth years is necessary (with most likely a variance of less than ±20%).

Yeah,.. but why TWO cycles, and not ONE or THREE, or SIX!?

Because ONE is too fast, and THREE (and larger) is too slow.

WHY...!!?

..you'll have to do that math yourself. :)

[quote="Guest"]...

Civilization to the depressed: Don't give up yet.[/quote]

I'm right in there with ya, boobie! <- "oo" as in "took", by the way. :)

Despair means "I lose by my own hand!", and I don't lose that way. ANY existence is preferable to giving up on existence, and the after existence for those who hold on to existence pays the price for the uncomfortableness of existence.

Easy to say,.. hard to do,.. but that's what makes the game a game! We're not owed comfort, we're set a challenge to overcome.

Aloha y'all! (Aloha īa ʻoukou, a me iaʻu.)

[i]In a scenario where there's no law and order, and there are
maurading gangs robbing, raping and killing everyone, then both cash
and gold will be subject to counterfeiting, and there's probably
nothing safe. If you're concerned about this, then you may want you
and your family to move to the Midwest and live in a bunker with a
survivalist community[/i].

What's with the marauders? Does anyone seriously think America will collapse? America is a first world country. I hear this Mad Max talk online from people trying to sell gold coins and survival gear. I think people need less Alex Jones and more Good Morning America.

Civilization to the depressed: Don't give up yet.

Thank you, John. I have been following this blog for years. Thank you for your advice.

I met my first financial planner in July, 2006, and I have met many more since. I asked them about the property bubble and zero interest rates in 2006 because I was worried, and none of them thought it was a problem. When the market tanked after Lehman, a few told me to dump everything and buy gold, and some told me to invest more. Their advice was all over the board. None of them were right about anything. I have met several financial planners who smirked when I mentioned my concerns; I always dropped them immediately. I don't trust or like arrogant people. They are always wrong. I came to the conclusion after the 2008 crisis that financial planners and economists have no idea what is going on or what to do about it. That's why I read your site. Everything you say goes against the mainstream, at least for awhile. And then it seems to go your way, kind of. I found you because I was looking for someone willing to call respected economists morons, and you fit the bill. You are the little boy in the story that notices the emperor has no clothes.

I have always considered what you say carefully. I still have no solutions. But you have said many times that sometimes there aren't any solutions. Now I think it might be a bad idea to survive what is coming.

http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/SixtyYearCycle.htm

Personal belief(s) of mine:

1 generation = 2 solar cycles (slightly less actually, as "biology" wants to "force" generations to occur faster)
3 generations = typical lifespan (Time to physically mature, teach, and consider reality deeply.)
4 generations = high lifespan = Crisis Cycle (Time to "Forget".)
(( These "equations" are a universal principle of ALL life in the Universe. ))

"Existential Panic" always occurs slightly before the "typical lifespan" point (58<60 years). ("Death is soon!")
"Societal Memory of Reality" lasts until slightly before the "Existential Panic" point (56<58). ("Fogies must DIE!")

ALL lifeforms (and all negentropic processes) go through this cycle, based on their generation rate, and their "Societal Memory of Reality" time period.

An "Apex Lifeform" within a planetary ecosystem is "forced into development" by Biology (writ large) having to deal with, and being steered by, the "energy tides" of the "Stellar System's" cycling (orbiting) parts.

This "Apex Lifeform" (AL) is created from, and continually supported by, the rest of the "biota" within the planetary ecosystem. The specific form, at any particular time, of this "AL" is continually refined (evolved) by the "refining process" of the action of this stellar (system) "tide".

The "goal" of this development (the dev of this AL) is a specific species of being that has a fully conscious awareness of what "institutional memory" truly means, such that the "crisis" brought about by younger generations (of the said species) "forgetting" about the reality of the consequences of genocidal "war" (mass murder over resources) is avoided by "making species-wide memory truly real and felt as such".

When "institutional memory" of the inescapable reality of the generational cycle is truly FELT, and not "a story told by old fools", then non-genocidal resource reallocation will be "obviously mandatory" and the "next goal" of the planetary Apex Lifeform will continue to be refined it by the same stellar tide...

...and that goal is to find and use resources for living, as a species with our "maximally interesting supporting planetary biota", in a maximally efficient non-genocidal manner, which eventually means drawing from resources "off world" so as to keep "our beauty" intact.

"Our Beauty" is that which makes life worth living, such as a beautiful environment and beautiful intellectual pursuits.

We will only be forced/allowed "off world" when we conquer our lack of memory of reality.

Aloha a me mahalo īa kākou! :)