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Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by FishbellykanakaDude » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:57 pm

Weiseth wrote:It is pretty funny they actually think generational Dynamics theory is an actual policy that works like a James Bond Villain superweapon to destroy the world because *EVIL*.
It is amazing isn't it. :)

Like saying physics is evil because "nuclear bombs"!
Then again they already said Mitt Romney, who is a soft Nice person and politically moderate is really a Vampire that wants black People as slaves, and because they already made George Bush the incarnation of Hitler, they don't really have many more Places to go. I Guess Trump and Bannon is the superdevil.

It's also pretty obvious that they want Bannon to become too much of a politically liability for Trump to have to deal With so they want to make it impossible for Trump to keep Bannon in his cabinet, also by appealing to Trump's ego by calling him a puppet to Bannon.
The bigger a "liability" in the left's eyes, the less a liability Bannon becomes,.. like Obi Wan,.. "Strike me down, and I shall become.. etc etc".

Trump loves to be called Bannon's puppet. Or, rather, he loves it that those who discredit themselves by doing so do so.

Honey Badger... :)

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by Weiseth » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:08 am

It is pretty funny they actually think generational Dynamics theory is an actual policy that works like a James Bond Villain superweapon to destroy the world because *EVIL*.

Then again they already said Mitt Romney, who is a soft Nice person and politically moderate is really a Vampire that wants black People as slaves, and because they already made George Bush the incarnation of Hitler, they don't really have many more Places to go. I Guess Trump and Bannon is the superdevil.

It's also pretty obvious that they want Bannon to become too much of a politically liability for Trump to have to deal With so they want to make it impossible for Trump to keep Bannon in his cabinet, also by appealing to Trump's ego by calling him a puppet to Bannon.

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by FishbellykanakaDude » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:38 am

John wrote:Needless to say, I'm fascinated by this sudden interest in Steve
Bannon...
Darth Vader,.. Obi Wan Kenobi,.. Dick Cheney,.. Yoda,.. Bagger Vance,.. Kamehameha,.. Gandalf,.. Saruman,.. FDR,..

..when THE old grayback is needed by the young turks, AN old grayback will be found.

Whether THAT old grayback is THE old grayback best suited, and suited for whom, is the question!?


"I no care what family you from,.. you WIT Kamehameha now, or you da kaua. Try no fall to da haole dis time, eh?"

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by John » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:04 am

Needless to say, I'm fascinated by this sudden interest in Steve
Bannon and The Fourth Turning, and by reactions to it in view of Steve
Bannon's interest.

Last week, there was an article about Steve Bannon in Time Magazine
that mentioned the Fourth Turning:

http://time.com/4657665/steve-bannon-donald-trump/

This week there was a major analytical article by Linette Lopez in
Business Insider. Unfortunately, she has no idea what she's talking
about, and knows absolutely nothing about generational theory,
although she thinks she does.

http://www.businessinsider.com/book-ste ... ing-2017-2

Her thesis is that Steve Bannon wants to use this theory to bring
about a world war. That's crazy. What generational theory does is
predict that a world war is coming, whether we like it or not, and
tells us to prepare for it.

The Fourth Turning was the foundational work for generational theory.
It was a brilliant work when it was written by Neil Howe and William
Strauss in the early 1990s, but they applied it only to English and
American history since the 1400s, and today their work is badly out of
date.

In 2003 I took over further development of generational theory,
corrected a number of the early errors, and expanded it to all
countries and places at all times in history. I launched the website
http://GenerationalDynamics.com, which has been a platform of
continuing development of generational theory. There are now almost
4,000 articles containing hundreds of analyses and predictions, all of
which have come true or are trending true. None has been proven
wrong. No web site, analyst, journalist, or politician has come even
close to the analytical and forecasting success of
GenerationalDynamics.com. It's a truly historic development.

It's true that generational theory predicts a world war. But it makes
no difference whether Trump or Clinton had won the presidential
election, because no politician can either cause or prevent a world
war.

However, to use an analogy, if your boat is sailing through a storm,
then the boat captain can neither cause nor prevent a storm, but if a
storm is coming, then one captain may do a better job than another in
guiding the boat through the storm. The crazy thing would be for the
boat captain to know that a storm is coming, but ignore it completely,
and make no preparations whatsoever.

My personal belief is that America will be best guided through the
coming storm by a president who has the benefit of an understanding of
Generational Dynamics, because that's the only methodology that
describes what's actually going on in the world.

So the reason that Linette Lopez is completely wrong is that she has
no understanding whatsoever of generational theory. She has no clue.
Lopez would tell a boat captain not to prepare for a storm, even if
the weather forecast says that a storm is coming. She thinks we
should just all be Pollyannas and pretend that nothing bad will ever
happen. Linette Lopez is recommending the path to total disaster.

Ironically, Neil Howe himself has almost completely abandoned his own
Fourth Turning theory by supporting views similar to those of Linette
Lopez. This is explained by the fact that Howe supports Democrats,
and so is committed to opposing anything from Donald Trump, even when
it's his own Fourth Turning theory. This is just one more of the
bizarre twists that are common in today's world.

Generational Dynamics says that a world war is coming, and that no
politician can either cause or prevent it. But what politicians can
do is prepare for it, and that's what we can hope that Steve Bannon
and Donald Trump are doing, to the benefit of all of us.

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by Trevor » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:57 am

I'm fairly skeptical of "Guns, Germs, and Steel". It might help explain why the Americas and Australia didn't advance much, but why Europe instead of China, India, or the Middle East? And just certain nations in Europe at that.

One thing I do notice is that before every major war, people talk about how it can never, ever, ever happen. Until it does, that is. How many imagined in 1935 that the world would once again be plunged into war? Or imagined it in 1910-1911? In the 1850's, few imagined that the United States would be engulfed in a civil war that killed close to a million people. I'm seeing the same thing happening again, giving all kinds of reasons why us and China will never go to war.

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by Weiseth » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:06 am

Trevor wrote:Based on reading that article, I can understand why Generational Dynamics work. What I saw was complete and utter disbelief about the idea of a major war coming, being seen as nothing more than a excuse to turn America into a dictatorship.

Another thing it overlooks is that we weren't united in the 1930's, not by a long shot. FDR might be remembered fondly now, but at the time, it was a different story. In fact, he was the first President that was compared to Hitler. He even tried to added Justices to the Supreme Court in order to install his cronies in there after they declared parts of the New Deal unconstitutional, a power grab that dwarfs even anything Obama attempted. Even his own party threatened to impeach him after that debacle.

Many at the time gravely feared that he would become a dictator, with him stating in his First Inaugural Address that suspending normal procedure could be necessary for the crisis we were facing. Not to mention that he's the reason we passed the 22nd amendment.

Nor did his New Deal get us out of the Depression; the war lifted us out of it.
I noticed about 10 ten years ago when studying history for my bachelor degree that the major wars in the west always seemed to happen with around a Century in between, but i was never able to put it into a model so I studied the wars separately instead majoring in the Thirty Years Wars. Wasn't until I came over Generational Dynamics articles on Breitbart i was introduced to this theory and it completely makes sense and have more explanatory Power than all my political science books at home. It is rather funny Reading "marxist perspective, neo realist, neo liberal, reflectivist, constructivist theories now, all of them have some truths but all fail to explain why war happen. One of my favorite books is Prosperity and Violence which I read because I was felt dissatisfied with explanation for wealth disparity between Europe/Africa as explained in "Guns, Germs and Steel" but even it only explains institutional taxation, pillaging and Foreign aid but not wars. Generational Dynamics theory is the only satisfactory explanatory theory I have come accross. But if Generational Dynamics was only relevant in very specific limited temporal and geographical cases and inadequate model to be used to explain other cases and times then the theory would be just be another interesting but meaningless theory out there with marxist and neo-liberal theory.

Both Mussolini and Hitler praised FDR and mocked him in different speeches/declerations. Another thing that article misunderstand is coming "ethnic conflict" in USA. It is not ethnic conflict as the left wants it with internal race war between whites and blacks, but external one USA against China and the different alliances based from that. Vietnam is more ethnically similar to China but still will be allied to USA for historic reasons. Ethnicity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it as it's not as asinine as asian vs white or black vs white. But racism is always the obsession of the left as they are racists, I expect nothing more from them.

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by Trevor » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:29 am

Based on reading that article, I can understand why Generational Dynamics work. What I saw was complete and utter disbelief about the idea of a major war coming, being seen as nothing more than a excuse to turn America into a dictatorship.

Another thing it overlooks is that we weren't united in the 1930's, not by a long shot. FDR might be remembered fondly now, but at the time, it was a different story. In fact, he was the first President that was compared to Hitler. He even tried to added Justices to the Supreme Court in order to install his cronies in there after they declared parts of the New Deal unconstitutional, a power grab that dwarfs even anything Obama attempted. Even his own party threatened to impeach him after that debacle.

Many at the time gravely feared that he would become a dictator, with him stating in his First Inaugural Address that suspending normal procedure could be necessary for the crisis we were facing. Not to mention that he's the reason we passed the 22nd amendment.

Nor did his New Deal get us out of the Depression; the war lifted us out of it.

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by Marshall Kane » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:01 am

Will Generational Theory finally go mainstream - as the basis for Steve Bannon's "evil" plans for world domination?

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/busine ... 904105.php

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by FishbellykanakaDude » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:25 am

Guest wrote:... In the US most people think he is an illegitimate president and that he is dangerously unbalanced and perhaps mad. My own opinion is that it is likely that a situation will arise where the military will not follow his orders, especially if it means war with China. You should know that, always talking about how it is the people who decide the real wars. In any case we should pray they will mutiny, because he is quite likely to cause the prompt deaths of 200,000,000 Americans otherwise (and it wont be the people deciding that one---just Trump and the officer with the football---completely invalidating Generational Dynamics as a predictive tool).

And of course he is depraved and evil. Witness his unholy rush to fulfill his campaign promise to murder the family members of suspected terrorists. Now everyone of his supporters has the blood of an innocent little girl on their hands.
The ultimate goal of the Anti-Trump folks is one party rule (Democrat) in the US.

Only a dedicated tiny minority of the US population truly considers Trump illegitimate. There are MANY people who will SAY that, but they don't actually believe it, anymore than all Anti-Obama folks really believed Obama was illegitimate due to "Birtherism".

The reason I bring up the "One Party State" idea is that those dedicated to that proposition see a "magnificent opportunity" in whipping up the "hysterical passions" of anyone who is "against sexism/racism/mysogyny/etc" to "ENABLE" the one party state by making "the opposition" utterly unthinkable to vote for.

That 99% of people would claim to be against those things is irrelevant, of course.

The hope is to make things so chaotic that any political choice other than "The Non-Evil People" is absurd.


Would the one party state of Democrat-Fascism delay the inevitable world war? Probably. But the "Enslaved West" would have to eventually send their soldier-slaves to battle the Chinese-Et-Al soldier-slaves for ultimate domination, and a Western slave is not as effective as a Western non-slave.

(( See "Liberal Fascism" ))

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..no, I don't work for Jonah. :)

Re: 7-Feb-17 World View -- Tensions rise between China and Trump administration / China sails warships near Japan's Senk

by John » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:17 am

solomani wrote: > "People frequently point out to me that China would not attack the
> United States because the US has a superior military. From the
> point of view of Generational Dynamics, that makes sense for most
> wars, but not for generational crisis wars. When America's South
> attacked Fort Sumter, launching the American Civil War, it was
> predictable that the North would win because it was three times as
> big, but the South attacked anyway. When Japan attacked Pearl
> Harbor, it was predictable that America would win because it was
> five times as big, but Japan attacked anyway."

> This is Wiggish history - basically using hindsight to say
> historical actors knew about X or Y. Please show me some
> historical documentation showing what you assert.

> Japan had no other option in WW2 apart from surrender. The
> Souyhrrn owned Fort Sumter had a Northern garrison stationed in
> it. The South had every right to eject them since they had
> legally seceded from the Union.

> In both cases they had very good initial gains. And in both cases
> they felt they had s good chance of winning. And there strategy
> is was solid.

> No one goes to the war to lose.
I wasn't saying that historical actors knew what was going to happen.
I'm saying that historical actors were ignoring the obvious.

This is true today -- ignoring the stock market bubble, ignoring
the trend towards world war, etc.

An important part of the generational theory paradigm is that people
ignore things that are obvious -- and become actively hostile to
people who predict the obvious things. Thus, you have the biblical
Jeremiah thrown into a well for predicting the fall of Jerusalem, you
have the mythical Cassandra assaulted and raped for predicting the
soldiers in the Trojan Horse, and you have Churchill mocked and
ridiculed for predicting the rise of Nazi Germany.

I'm fortunate so far that I haven't been the target of any physical
violence, but I sure have infuriated a lot of people. Ignoring the
obvious is an important part of the generational cycle, and why
unbelievable disaster occur at regular intervals.

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