10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

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Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by psCargile » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:57 am

Nixon was also in the process of being impeached, and "liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States" (Proclamation 4311) Hillary Clinton has all but been cleared by the FBI and US Attorney General. In a sense, she has already been "pardoned".

It looks to me that Pres. Ford applied his Constitutional powers liberally, but was allowed to.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by Guest » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:39 pm

If Hillary has broken the law, and it appears that she has multiple times, then why shouldn't she been tried for it? I would be in jail already if I had done just one thing she is accused of. And what of justice? What about all the money she has stolen from the Haitians? The former Haitian PM personally asked Donald Trump to help his country recover the money. Are we to ignore all of this criminality to "heal the nation"? How ridiculous! America need to return to rule of law.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by Jack Edwards » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:31 pm

Gerald said:
From what I have read (if true ) Obama does not like Hillary. If Obama wants to get even with Hillary because she did not win to save his legacy, all Obama has to do is not pardon Hillary, that is unless Hillary has something on Obama.
I've read the same. The big question is - who benefits? Does the act of pardoning help Obama or harm an adversary? If not, why would he do it? I don't think anyone thinks Clinton and Obama are best buds. Clinton just helped sink his legacy. Why should he do her any favors? I just plain don't believe he'd do it because "it's the right thing to do and the nation needs to heal".

So - if he pardons her it will be because:
- In doing so he will be rewarded in some way.
- Pardoning her cuts a link in a chain that ties back to something he's done wrong (it's known that he received e-mails from her private server).
- Pardoning her benefits or protects someone else important to him.

I think pardoning her hurts and stains his legacy - and I think he knows that.

I also think pardoning her helps Trump. Going after Clinton will create sympathy - it's a distraction to getting things done and since Trump is perceived as a bully towards women, going after her is reinforcing to that stereotype. I think both Trump and Obama know that.

I expect there will be no pardon, but if there is - it's because Obama is trying to protect someone not named Clinton.

Regards,
Jack

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by gerald » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:04 pm

anon wrote:Indeed Nixon did get pardoned, so did the six Iran Contra criminals who were on their way to trial. A trial is in no way needed for a pardon, given past practice. This false belief gets spread around every few years, apparently by people who never read any recent history.
From what I have read (if true ) Obama does not like Hillary. If Obama wants to get even with Hillary because she did not win to save his legacy, all Obama has to do is not pardon Hillary, that is unless Hillary has something on Obama.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by anon » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:24 am

Indeed Nixon did get pardoned, so did the six Iran Contra criminals who were on their way to trial. A trial is in no way needed for a pardon, given past practice. This false belief gets spread around every few years, apparently by people who never read any recent history.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by Guest » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:23 am

psCargile wrote:
he'll pardon both Clintons as pretty much his first official actions.
If by that you mean the power granted the President by the Constitution, the Clinton's would first need to be tried, convicted and sentenced for crimes against the United States.
Didn't Nixon get pardoned?

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by psCargile » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:15 am

he'll pardon both Clintons as pretty much his first official actions.
If by that you mean the power granted the President by the Constitution, the Clinton's would first need to be tried, convicted and sentenced for crimes against the United States.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by John » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:54 pm

Innocent Smith wrote: > What is MIT System dynamics? Is that similar to generational
> dynamics? Innocent Smith
There's some information on how MIT's System Dynamics is used
in Generational Dynamics in the following paper:

** Generational Dynamics Forecasting Methodology (PDF)
** http://GenerationalDynamics.com/gdgraph ... namics.pdf

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by John » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:38 pm

Several people have suggested that I apply for a job in the Trump
administration. That's very flattering, and it's provoked me into
thinking about the list of reasons why that would be a potential
disaster.

First off, I don't need to apply on some random website. I've worked
with Steve Bannon in the past, and we have a good relationship. I was
in his movie Generation Zero, and we corresponded frequently up until
a few months ago when he was still editor at Breitbart, where my daily
articles are cross-posted. So he already knows who I am and where I
am.

But I already have a job. I was unemployed for two years because of
massive age discrimination in the computer industry. I was going to
run out of money within a few more months, and at my age that would
literally be the end of me. But six weeks ago, by some miracle, I got
a really good job as Senior Software Engineer. It's a very
interesting and challenging project, and it pays well too. And I have
a good relationship with the team I'm working with and with my
managers, all of whom are younger.

So I could imagine a disaster where I quit my current job to take some
other job, lost the new job, and then ended up out on the street
again, with no hope in sight.

And indeed it's very likely that I would be quickly fired, for the
following reasons:
  • I have absolutely no political skills whatsoever, nor do I want
    any.
  • I'm a very prickly person to deal with, as everyone in this forum
    already knows.
  • I piss people off constantly, as everyone in this forum already
    knows.
  • People on the left and people on the right are both contemptuous
    of Generational Dynamics.
  • I do not "suffer fools gladly," to use the Biblical phrase.
  • I'm obnoxious and paranoid, and I'm offensive to Gen-Xers and
    Millennials, many of whom hate me just as a matter of principle.
  • Even if I try, I'm unable to stick to a political party line for
    more than 45 seconds.
  • Imagine the situation where someone in the media realizes that a
    person in the administration says that with 100% certainly there will
    be a world war, led respectively by the US and China.
I'm thinking of that story from 2014 where North Korea's child
dictator Kim Jong-un decided to get rid of his uncle and mentor, Jang
Song-thaek. According to the story, Jang was stripped naked and
thrown live into a cage with 120 hunting hounds that had been starved
for five days, where he was completely ripped apart and eaten.

That's what would happen to me in a political job.

Re: 10-Nov-16 World View -- Donald Trump: The honeymoon calm before the storm Is this the Apocalypse?

by Guest » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:38 am

Will Trump cut a deal with Putin and Russia at the expense of NATO? Do you think the US will drop out of NATO? The former Danish head of NATO said that if Trump does not confront Putin in the first 100 days that NATO is finished. That seems a bit over the top to me.

I would like to drop the smug Europeans. Just seeing the horrified expressions O_O on their faces when the hear the news would be enough for me...

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