25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:30 pm

Switzerland and ---

From elsewhere ----

"Sometimes it’s the little things that are most telling. In Switzerland it has long been customary for students to shake the hands of their teachers at the beginning and end of the school day. It’s a sign of solidarity and mutual respect between teacher and pupil, one that is thought to encourage the right classroom atmosphere. Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga recently felt compelled to further explain that shaking hands was part of Swiss culture and daily life.

And the reason she felt compelled to speak out about the handshake is that two Muslim brothers, aged 14 and 15, who have lived in Switzerland for several years (and thus are familiar with its mores), in the town of Therwil, near Basel, refused to shake the hands of their teacher, a woman, because, they claimed, this would violate Muslim teachings that contact with the opposite sex is allowed only with family members. At first the school authorities decided to avoid trouble, and initially granted the boys an exemption from having to shake the hand of any female teacher. But an uproar followed, as Mayor Reto Wolf explained to the BBC: “the community was unhappy with the decision taken by the school. In our culture and in our way of communication a handshake is normal and sends out respect for the other person, and this has to be brought [home] to the children in school.”

Therwil’s Educational Department reversed the school’s decision, explaining in a statement on May 25 that the school’s exemption was lifted because “the public interest with respect to equality between men and women and the integration of foreigners significantly outweighs the freedom of religion.” It added that a teacher has the right to demand a handshake. Furthermore, if the students refused to shake hands again “the sanctions called for by law will be applied,” which included a possible fine of up to 5,000 dollars.

This uproar in Switzerland, where many people were enraged at the original exemption granted to the Muslim boys, did not end after that exemption was itself overturned by the local Educational Department. The Swiss understood quite clearly that this was more than a little quarrel over handshakes; it was a fight over whether the Swiss would be masters in their own house, or whether they would be forced to yield, by the granting of special treatment, to the Islamic view of the proper relations between the sexes. It is one battle – small but to the Swiss significant – between o’erweening Muslim immigrants and the indigenous Swiss.

Naturally, once the exemption was withdrawn, all hell broke loose among Muslims in Switzerland. The Islamic Central Council of Switzerland, instead of yielding quietly to the Swiss decision to uphold the handshaking custom, criticized the ruling in hysterical terms, claiming that the enforcement of the handshaking is “totalitarian” (!) because its intent is to “forbid religious people from meeting their obligations to God.” That, of course, was never the “intent” of the long-standing handshaking custom, which was a nearly-universal custom in Switzerland, and in schools had to do only with encouraging the right classroom atmosphere of mutual respect between instructor and pupil, of which the handshake was one aspect.

The Swiss formulation of the problem – weighing competing claims — will be familiar to Americans versed in Constitutional adjudication. In this case “the public interest with respect to equality” of the sexes and the “integration of foreigners” (who are expected to adopt Swiss ways, not force the Swiss to exempt them from some of those ways) were weighed against the “religious obligations to God” of Muslims, and the former interests found to outweigh the latter.

What this case shows is that even at the smallest and seemingly inconsequential level, Muslims are challenging the laws and customs of the Infidels among whom they have been allowed to settle [i.e., stealth jihad toward sharia dominance]. Each little victory, or defeat, will determine whether Muslims will truly integrate into a Western society or, instead, refashion that society to meet Muslim requirements.

The handshake has been upheld and, what’s more, a stiff fine now will be imposed on those who continue to refuse to shake hands with a female teacher. This is a heartening sign of non-surrender by the Swiss. But the challenges of the Muslims within Europe to the laws and customs of the indigenes have no logical end and will not stop. And the greater the number of Muslims allowed to settle in Europe, the stronger and more frequent their challenges will be. They are attempting not to integrate, but rather to create, for now, a second, parallel society, and eventually, through sheer force of numbers from both migration and by outbreeding the Infidels, to fashion not a parallel society but one society — now dominated by Muslim [sharia].

The Swiss handshaking dispute has received some, but not enough, press attention. Presumably, it’s deemed too inconsequential a matter to bother with. But the Swiss know better. And so should we.

There’s an old Scottish saying that in one variant reads: “Many a little makes a mickle.” That is, the accumulation of many little things leads to one big thing. That’s what’s happening in Europe today. This was one victory for the side of sanity. There will need to be a great many more."

some background ---http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36382596

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:27 pm

psCargile wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... -shrinking

Article mirrors the racial/xenophobia explanation along economic lines.
Similar issues were described in "Atlas Shrugged" by Ann Rand. Interesting times.

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by psCargile » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:00 am

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... -shrinking

Article mirrors the racial/xenophobia explanation along economic lines.

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:04 pm

gerald wrote:"The European Union was formed after two world wars and the Great Depression. Institutions were put into place with the specific purpose of preventing a new war between European nations, and preventing the financial abuse that led to the Great Depression. Today, with the survivors of World War II gone, anger, nationalism, xenophobia, and stupidity are back in full force."

I am not disagreeing with the above statement. ----

Hmm -- So the EU was formed to prevent a repeat of WWII.( founded upon numerous treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... pean_Union ) And what started WWII? The groundwork was started by the elites armistice structure to punish Germany after WWI. And what started WWI? The elites structure of treaties among them selves, and was triggered by one man killing another leading to the death of millions. ---- And the elites get all bent out of shape when the "people" don't support them, I wonder why.
President Of The European Parliament: "It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... e-its-fate
Where have we heard this before?

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:55 pm

John wrote:People keep asking me to tell them what's wrong with racism and
xenophobia. I'm always puzzled by this question, because I don't know
of any historical example where racism and xenophobia were successful.
I know of plenty of examples where racism and xenophobia ended in
disaster, especially in the next Crisis era, but I don't know of any
example where they were successful.

Does anyone know of a historical example where racism and xenophobia
achieved the intended and desired outcome? Or at least does anyone
know of a historical example where they didn't end in disaster?
What is the time line, and what are the definitions of the words?

Example faggot --http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=faggo

When I went to college ,1964, there was a saying in the auditorium above the stage " ( built in the 1920's ) you must set fire to the faggots which you have brought" meaning you must set fire to ideas and think. ( it was later hidden ) Faggot meant bundle of sticks, not gays.

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by John » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:06 am

People keep asking me to tell them what's wrong with racism and
xenophobia. I'm always puzzled by this question, because I don't know
of any historical example where racism and xenophobia were successful.
I know of plenty of examples where racism and xenophobia ended in
disaster, especially in the next Crisis era, but I don't know of any
example where they were successful.

Does anyone know of a historical example where racism and xenophobia
achieved the intended and desired outcome? Or at least does anyone
know of a historical example where they didn't end in disaster?

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:13 am

Considering all of the propaganda thrown around as news or what ever regarding the markets, economy , politics, living standards, etc. a quote from the past from one who had some experience with propaganda might be appropriate at this time.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." Adolf Hitler http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quote ... 08716.html

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by psCargile » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:10 am

One group of people want to wipe out another. The other group don't wish to be wiped out. Identifying the fundamental motivation for both peoples as racism and xenophobia is acceptable. Humanity has a long history of migration and displacement, of Us verses Them. The problem us that the accurate terms of racism and xenophobia have been weaponized to shame and coerce paradigms to the point whereby we can't think of them in terms of group behaviors to ensure group survivability.

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by gerald » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:52 am

"According to YouGov exit polls, Millennials voted overwhelmingly for the "Remain" side, meaning that the UK would remain in the EU, while Boomers voted for the "Leave" side. The breakdown by age group was:

18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain
Yorkshire Post columnist Grant Woodward wrote:

"Brexit will come to be seen as the Baby Boomers’ ultimate betrayal of younger generations and those that will follow. A knee-jerk response to a series of red herrings, a protest vote with the potential for long-term catastrophe that they won’t be around to endure."
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Winston Churchill quotes - supposedly --

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if-you- ... 47162.html

I am in my 70's, when I was in my 20's I was a bit idealistic and believing but willing to question. Today one could call me a cynic after seeing corruption , lies, deceit, stupidly, blackmail, etc. on personal and political levels. Young people tend to be easier to con due to lack of experience. Sorry I don't mean to offend the "young" but what is is.
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And the young generally have yet to be paying taxes. Over the years I have come to the opinion, yes I know there are issues with this, but if one does not pay taxes they should not be allowed to vote. For what you wind up with is the generally non-productive tax and tell the productive what to do. A big problem.

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

by Guest » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:02 am

So the only reason the current horde of Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc. is having a rough time in Europe is because of racism and xenophobia? You don't think the rapes, beatings, robberies, and murders that many of these immigrants are guilty of has anything to do with it?

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