MarvyGuy wrote:Guest wrote:The "alternative media" buys into everything RT (Russia Today) television puts out: Ukrainians are Nazis, ISIS is controlled by the CIA, etc. I can't believe how stupid these people are.
Watching France 24 (because Greece24 channel depresses Blue Drachma these days) they looked to honestly try to figure it out and the talking head admitted with all of the counter info going on he did not know the true story. One side you have RT and on the other US Media, which is clearly no better than RT in disinformation. I don't know who to trust on everything being said. For instance I think it is clear the State Dept was gun running via Benghazi and they probably let Christopher Stevens take the fall for it and have lied about it ever since. Many turn to alt media as most major news networks lie and do it often. Maybe they get the weather right once in a while.
So not really knowing what is going on (and we probably never will in our lifetime) we can see John's GenDyn plugging right along to the unfortunate ending. As John warned we can expect Muslim fundamentalists to strike at Russia in Russia itself.
Whether Russia bombs "moderates" or "fundamentalists" they are still killing Sunnis. The US tried to arm moderate groups in 1980 Afgan war and the money went to Wahhabi extremists (via Pakistan's Intelligence services) who worked to eventually defeat the local moderate Afgan tribes. I think no matter what happens the moderates were never going anywhere. You only have to look at Libya to see what happens when you replace something with nothing. I think that is why Putin is so set on supporting Assad even when it will come to haunt him in a big way (maybe he thinks he can avoid that issue but too many Sunni in Europe coming in to stop that now).
Obama is stuck as he was using moderates (and I think Fundamentalists) to remove Assad, so now he is backed into a corner in a round room. He has no where to run since Putin checkmated him politically. He will have to back Russia at this point and make noises about the moderates who were disappearing anyway. I suspect soon we will see discussions on Ukraine so Putin can extract himself while keeping his gains and see sanctions dropped.
The real question is when will China decide everyone is distracted enough to make their big move in the Pacific?
A Mosaic Of Facts - Media Weapons Of Mass Delusion
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-0 ... s-delusion
Can you tell truth from lies in mass media? RT’s Miguel Francis-Santiago delves deep to try to understand the intricacies of information war.
"Hopefully it will get more people in the mainstream to wake up to the extremely dangerous situation which has developed in the mainstream media, which more than any single factor is leading the world to war."
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Meet Your "Independent" Media, America
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-0 ... ia-america
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Of course what is the truth? According to whom?
This has been going on for a very long time. Since before the time of the ancient priests of the city states. -- Our god is right, their god is wrong.
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As for China? Maybe they need a distraction to rally the people, but sometimes that does not work.
What happened to the news regarding the bombings in China?
The Start Of China's Unrest? Southern China City Rocked By "Massive" Bomb Explosions, At Least 6 Dead
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-3 ... ons-3-dead
Second Massive Bomb Explosion Rocks Chinese City, Day After 17 Parcel Bomb Attacks Kill Seven
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-0 ... attacks-ki
It appears the the targets were civilian in nature and not government facilities.
If it was against the government why civilian targets?
If you are a lone crazy how do you do all of this yourself?
If you are a Muslim?
In an attempt to clamp down on religious expression, China has restricted fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan in the Xinjiang region, which is largely Muslim...
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-N ... ng-Ramadan
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[quote="MarvyGuy"][quote="Guest"]The "alternative media" buys into everything RT (Russia Today) television puts out: Ukrainians are Nazis, ISIS is controlled by the CIA, etc. I can't believe how stupid these people are.[/quote]
Watching France 24 (because Greece24 channel depresses Blue Drachma these days) they looked to honestly try to figure it out and the talking head admitted with all of the counter info going on he did not know the true story. One side you have RT and on the other US Media, which is clearly no better than RT in disinformation. I don't know who to trust on everything being said. For instance I think it is clear the State Dept was gun running via Benghazi and they probably let Christopher Stevens take the fall for it and have lied about it ever since. Many turn to alt media as most major news networks lie and do it often. Maybe they get the weather right once in a while.
So not really knowing what is going on (and we probably never will in our lifetime) we can see John's GenDyn plugging right along to the unfortunate ending. As John warned we can expect Muslim fundamentalists to strike at Russia in Russia itself.
Whether Russia bombs "moderates" or "fundamentalists" they are still killing Sunnis. The US tried to arm moderate groups in 1980 Afgan war and the money went to Wahhabi extremists (via Pakistan's Intelligence services) who worked to eventually defeat the local moderate Afgan tribes. I think no matter what happens the moderates were never going anywhere. You only have to look at Libya to see what happens when you replace something with nothing. I think that is why Putin is so set on supporting Assad even when it will come to haunt him in a big way (maybe he thinks he can avoid that issue but too many Sunni in Europe coming in to stop that now).
Obama is stuck as he was using moderates (and I think Fundamentalists) to remove Assad, so now he is backed into a corner in a round room. He has no where to run since Putin checkmated him politically. He will have to back Russia at this point and make noises about the moderates who were disappearing anyway. I suspect soon we will see discussions on Ukraine so Putin can extract himself while keeping his gains and see sanctions dropped.
The real question is when will China decide everyone is distracted enough to make their big move in the Pacific?[/quote]
A Mosaic Of Facts - Media Weapons Of Mass Delusion http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/mosaic-facts-media-weapons-mass-delusion
Can you tell truth from lies in mass media? RT’s Miguel Francis-Santiago delves deep to try to understand the intricacies of information war.
"Hopefully it will get more people in the mainstream to wake up to the extremely dangerous situation which has developed in the mainstream media, which more than any single factor is leading the world to war."
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Meet Your "Independent" Media, America http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/meet-your-independent-media-america
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Of course what is the truth? According to whom?
This has been going on for a very long time. Since before the time of the ancient priests of the city states. -- Our god is right, their god is wrong.
------------------------------------------------------
As for China? Maybe they need a distraction to rally the people, but sometimes that does not work.
What happened to the news regarding the bombings in China?
The Start Of China's Unrest? Southern China City Rocked By "Massive" Bomb Explosions, At Least 6 Dead
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-30/start-chinas-unrest-southern-china-city-rocked-massive-bomb-explosions-3-dead
Second Massive Bomb Explosion Rocks Chinese City, Day After 17 Parcel Bomb Attacks Kill Seven
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-01/second-massive-bomb-explosion-rocks-chinese-city-day-after-17-parcel-bomb-attacks-ki
It appears the the targets were civilian in nature and not government facilities.
If it was against the government why civilian targets?
If you are a lone crazy how do you do all of this yourself?
If you are a Muslim?
In an attempt to clamp down on religious expression, China has restricted fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan in the Xinjiang region, which is largely Muslim... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/0618/Why-China-restricts-fasting-by-Xinjiang-Muslims-during-Ramadan
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