by NoOneImportant » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:56 pm
jimw4881 wrote:
GUEST …. Is your concern primarily with money costs? You made at least four references to “pay” so I want to ask this question. If there were no welfare system, no free education, no government transfers of wealth on any level … housing subsidies, food subsidies, medical subsidies … nada ….. what would be your objection to “open borders”?
Absolutely it's about money, and more, oh so much more. I have watched your arrogant New Age BS for the last several weeks. Yes it is about money, and more to the point it's about all private property. It's about how a thug like you, much like the armed robber, believes that there is nothing you can't seize and give away. What you seek to steal has cost you nothing to acquire, or accrue; and thus there is little emotional attachment to that which you seek to give away to those who haven't earned it.
This is about how America happened, it's about how, in the historical blink of an eye, a land of primeval forest, desert, and wasteland became transformed. It's about how that barren land became the envy of the rest of the world in three human lifetimes(76 years each). It's about how a uniquely American concept, a concept born of Colonial America, and the American Revolution came into being... private property. It is a concept that is sacrosanct, and needs to be protected from those self-absorbed, egocentric, "self-righteous" thieves like you. Yes it is about the money, but just as importantly it is about the Rule of Law impeding thieves like you from stealing whatever you so desire under the ruse of the rule of law, and majority rule.
You see, people like you believe that there is nothing beyond your reach. That there is nothing you can't steal should you garner a sufficient voting majority. You believe that there is nothing you can't steal with a cause so worthy that you contend that it merits whatever theft you deem "necessary." Further, in the same light, you believe there is nothing you can't mandate, nothing you can't force me to do using the cudgel of a police state, through a majority vote. That there is no crime so heinous that you cannot redefine it to no longer be a crime. For you believe that, via dictate, you may declare any action to no longer be immoral and a crime simply because you vote and say it is to be so. It - the crime - is to be a crime no longer because you simply vote that it is no longer to be so, i.e. it is no longer a crime just because you say it shall be as you desire it to be. The Holocaust, costing the lives of millions of all stripes in Nazi Germany, was completely legal under German law while Hitler ruled. Similarly, to that end, twenty million Russians were murdered in the Gulags under the Soviets; also completely legal. Your mentality leads directly to the Kamps of Nazi Germany, and the Gulags of Soviet Russia. You believe you can make a crime not a crime with a sufficient voting majority. Perhaps your position might have some merit were you only willing to give away only your property, or affect only your actions. With those like you, that is however, never the case. You have come to believe that there is no limit to what you can seize and give away for your distorted sense of "right." I must presume, that you have come to this distorted belief through a perverted, rotten, corrupted school system that teaches such distortions as "right." It is a sense of "right" that you alone shall decide, dictate, and impress upon those to whom you have no intention of permitting the liberty, or freedom of choice to: consider; reflect upon; assume; or reject as their freely acquired personal morality would guide them. You are a thug of the first order; for you, like all "good little socialist," seek to make resistance to your theft the penultimate crime in the socialist society, eclipsing even murder, the morally indefensible crime of associating all private property with personal avarice and greed. Think money isn't important... don't eat for three days, then assess the importance of the five dollar bill you have that will purchase you a burger, and fries.
The legal protection, and safeguarding of private property is pivotal to the American Experience. It's a concept that transformed the world; it is a concept that gave birth to a nation that went to war not for conquest, not for empire, but in the pursuit of a higher calling. The right to the fruit of one's labor and the protection from people like you is a concept that is uniquely American. They (legally protected private property, and individual liberty) are the only way that works economically speaking... a free and willing buyer, and a free and willing seller; each willing to associate, un-coerced, to pursue and serve their own self interest. Each party moderated in their actions, and self-restrained, by a Christian ethos as each is free to see it. You see, it is a concept that is uniquely American. Private property, as such, didn't exist prior to the American Revolution. Under the Divine Right of Kings (a place that you desire to return us) there is nothing beyond the reach of the regent. Much as you seek to pervert the concept of private property for your own distorted sense of what you might call "morality."
Here in America it - private property - is something that many have spilled their blood over that you might cough up this socialist BS with freedom, while you serve no one but self while seeking to steal and disburse (using the coercive cudgel of a police state) that which you neither created nor earned. You seek to be Santa Clause, giving away what isn't yours to give. Yes, it is absolutely about the money, and it isn't your money to either seize, or to give away, nor is it your Citizenship to bequeath, for political expediency, to those who step in front of the millions of people world wide who go through the process in the correct manner - legally. Be rest assured: we will war over this issue. It is known by the far more common term as slavery.
jimw4881 wrote:
GUEST …. Is your concern primarily with money costs? You made at least four references to “pay” so I want to ask this question. If there were no welfare system, no free education, no government transfers of wealth on any level … housing subsidies, food subsidies, medical subsidies … nada ….. what would be your objection to “open borders”?
Absolutely it's about money, and more, oh so much more. I have watched your arrogant New Age BS for the last several weeks. Yes it is about money, and more to the point it's about all private property. It's about how a thug like you, much like the armed robber, believes that there is nothing you can't seize and give away. What you seek to steal has cost you nothing to acquire, or accrue; and thus there is little emotional attachment to that which you seek to give away to those who haven't earned it.
This is about how America happened, it's about how, in the historical blink of an eye, a land of primeval forest, desert, and wasteland became transformed. It's about how that barren land became the envy of the rest of the world in three human lifetimes(76 years each). It's about how a uniquely American concept, a concept born of Colonial America, and the American Revolution came into being... private property. It is a concept that is sacrosanct, and needs to be protected from those self-absorbed, egocentric, "self-righteous" thieves like you. Yes it is about the money, but just as importantly it is about the Rule of Law impeding thieves like you from stealing whatever you so desire under the ruse of the rule of law, and majority rule.
You see, people like you believe that there is nothing beyond your reach. That there is nothing you can't steal should you garner a sufficient voting majority. You believe that there is nothing you can't steal with a cause so worthy that you contend that it merits whatever theft you deem "necessary." Further, in the same light, you believe there is nothing you can't mandate, nothing you can't force me to do using the cudgel of a police state, through a majority vote. That there is no crime so heinous that you cannot redefine it to no longer be a crime. For you believe that, via dictate, you may declare any action to no longer be immoral and a crime simply because you vote and say it is to be so. It - the crime - is to be a crime no longer because you simply vote that it is no longer to be so, i.e. it is no longer a crime just because you say it shall be as you desire it to be. The Holocaust, costing the lives of millions of all stripes in Nazi Germany, was completely legal under German law while Hitler ruled. Similarly, to that end, twenty million Russians were murdered in the Gulags under the Soviets; also completely legal. Your mentality leads directly to the Kamps of Nazi Germany, and the Gulags of Soviet Russia. You believe you can make a crime not a crime with a sufficient voting majority. Perhaps your position might have some merit were you only willing to give away only your property, or affect only your actions. With those like you, that is however, never the case. You have come to believe that there is no limit to what you can seize and give away for your distorted sense of "right." I must presume, that you have come to this distorted belief through a perverted, rotten, corrupted school system that teaches such distortions as "right." It is a sense of "right" that you alone shall decide, dictate, and impress upon those to whom you have no intention of permitting the liberty, or freedom of choice to: consider; reflect upon; assume; or reject as their freely acquired personal morality would guide them. You are a thug of the first order; for you, like all "good little socialist," seek to make resistance to your theft the penultimate crime in the socialist society, eclipsing even murder, the morally indefensible crime of associating all private property with personal avarice and greed. Think money isn't important... don't eat for three days, then assess the importance of the five dollar bill you have that will purchase you a burger, and fries.
The legal protection, and safeguarding of private property is pivotal to the American Experience. It's a concept that transformed the world; it is a concept that gave birth to a nation that went to war not for conquest, not for empire, but in the pursuit of a higher calling. The right to the fruit of one's labor and the protection from people like you is a concept that is uniquely American. They (legally protected private property, and individual liberty) are the only way that works economically speaking... a free and willing buyer, and a free and willing seller; each willing to associate, un-coerced, to pursue and serve their own self interest. Each party moderated in their actions, and self-restrained, by a Christian ethos as each is free to see it. You see, it is a concept that is uniquely American. Private property, as such, didn't exist prior to the American Revolution. Under the Divine Right of Kings (a place that you desire to return us) there is nothing beyond the reach of the regent. Much as you seek to pervert the concept of private property for your own distorted sense of what you might call "morality."
Here in America it - private property - is something that many have spilled their blood over that you might cough up this socialist BS with freedom, while you serve no one but self while seeking to steal and disburse (using the coercive cudgel of a police state) that which you neither created nor earned. You seek to be Santa Clause, giving away what isn't yours to give. Yes, it is absolutely about the money, and it isn't your money to either seize, or to give away, nor is it your Citizenship to bequeath, for political expediency, to those who step in front of the millions of people world wide who go through the process in the correct manner - legally. Be rest assured: we will war over this issue. It is known by the far more common term as slavery.