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Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by wizarc » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:19 pm

It's now 5 years later, so obviously, things will have taken longer to unfold than predicted if they play out this way at all, ever.

Trump is now about to succeed Obama, and while president elect, Trump, according to news reports, "ticked off China" by taking a phone call from Tawain government.

Trump's stated foreign policy so far is to beef up the American military while making friends with Russia.

If the military industrial complex is to march on as it has for so long, it needs another big war sometime on the horizon.

Syria is winding down now it seems, a capitulation to Russia, in alignment with Trumps stayed foreign policy.

Is the Middle East is going to quiet down some, in favor of the long talked about "Asian Pivot", with a confrontation with China the next big move?

It's hard to imagine we won't see Israel back on the scene against Iran real soon and if so, it's hard to see Trump getting out of that one, even if he's trying to do business, not war with Russia.

But, is Trump's call with Taiwan a bit of fuel being added to this China vs US fire you predicted could have started by now?

With the way the foreign reserves in China are heading and the global bond slaughter, the euro on the precipice of their crisis reigniting, I think someone (probably Gerald Celente) once said about the Banksters, "when all else fails, they take you to world war"...

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Trevor » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:13 am

Now that 2012 is here, I wonder what their official military budget for this year will be. Admittedly, I don't know what their fiscal year is, but we'll find out soon enough.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Trevor » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:07 am

Much as I hate to it, the next year might be best. The longer they have to build up, the more difficult this war will be for us. We can beat them today, although even in a conventional war, we'd suffer considerable casualties. 5 years down the line, victory is much less certain.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Tyler520 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:15 pm

I continue to find it baffling as to how the West continues to portray the US as the warmongers while the middle east, China, Russia and Marxist Nations of South America continue to set the world on fire.

But as you stated in the article, there simply is no rationale to these peoples' behavior

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by thomasglee » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:09 pm

Tom Acre wrote:
thomasglee wrote:
Reality Check wrote:If China did start a war, why would they pick Taiwan ...
Are you familiar with the Chinese mind? If so, you'll understand that PRIDE more than anything will cause them to go after Taiwan.
As far as Red China is concerned, Taiwan IS their possession, just another province. I've heard that view not only within PRC from Beijing to Guangzhou, from gov't and citizen alike, expatriot PRC citizens, young students and long-term resident aliens. Its a view that is presented to them as preschoolers and reinforced throughout their lives.

Essentially a PRC attack on Taiwan would be a civil war and would probably fracture into a larger civil war along the old north south lines w/ Taiwan and Southern China joining forces against the Red north, quickly involving the United States and Japan, spreading to a reignition of Korean civil war and Indian Pakistani war, etc. etc. etc.

One cannot realistically imagine how swiftly it will happen and how profoundly life will change when this or one of a million possible other scenarios plunges us into the next world war. It may be another decade, or it may be tomorrow. I'm conflicted about which would be better, as the later it happens the greater the number of the number of more horrible weapons the PRC, Pakistan et.al. will have. I pray for peaceful resolution but have read too much history to expect it, barring a real miracle.
I understand where you're POV is coming from. Historically, China has never been able to maintain central government control over the country for very long (typically approximately 100 years). So we can expect to start seeing fractures developing within China based on sphears of influence developing in various provinces. Primarily the coastal provinces.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Tom Acre » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:55 am

thomasglee wrote:
Reality Check wrote:If China did start a war, why would they pick Taiwan ...
Are you familiar with the Chinese mind? If so, you'll understand that PRIDE more than anything will cause them to go after Taiwan.
As far as Red China is concerned, Taiwan IS their possession, just another province. I've heard that view not only within PRC from Beijing to Guangzhou, from gov't and citizen alike, expatriot PRC citizens, young students and long-term resident aliens. Its a view that is presented to them as preschoolers and reinforced throughout their lives.

Essentially a PRC attack on Taiwan would be a civil war and would probably fracture into a larger civil war along the old north south lines w/ Taiwan and Southern China joining forces against the Red north, quickly involving the United States and Japan, spreading to a reignition of Korean civil war and Indian Pakistani war, etc. etc. etc.

One cannot realistically imagine how swiftly it will happen and how profoundly life will change when this or one of a million possible other scenarios plunges us into the next world war. It may be another decade, or it may be tomorrow. I'm conflicted about which would be better, as the later it happens the greater the number of the number of more horrible weapons the PRC, Pakistan et.al. will have. I pray for peaceful resolution but have read too much history to expect it, barring a real miracle.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by thomasglee » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:55 am

Reality Check wrote:If China did start a war, why would they pick Taiwan and why would they not seek to expand into other territories like South East Asia or Oil Rich Central Asia ???

China needs natural resources and land and women. Taiwan would only help with the later.

Unless of course China believed they would actually drive the United States out of the Western Pacific merely by occupying Taiwan.
Are you familiar with the Chinese mind? If so, you'll understand that PRIDE more than anything will cause them to go after Taiwan.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Reality Check » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:32 pm

If China did start a war, why would they pick Taiwan and why would they not seek to expand into other territories like South East Asia or Oil Rich Central Asia ???

China needs natural resources and land and women. Taiwan would only help with the later.

Unless of course China believed they would actually drive the United States out of the Western Pacific merely by occupying Taiwan.

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Reality Check » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:27 pm

The time frame seems very short for a people that are known for patience and taking the long view.

I would suggest that if Obama is re-elected, Obama will continue to dismantle both the United States strategic military capabilities and the United States conventional military capabilities.

Chinese determined to defeat the United States would be crazy to launch an attack while President Obama is destroying the United States military without any risk to China.

On the other hand, the Chinese might believe Obama would abandon Taiwan and not fight over it.

I can see an attack by China on Taiwan after Obama is defeated in an election in November 2012 and before Obama's replacement takes power in January 2013.

The logic being Obama would not fight and it would all be over before the President elect takes office.

I can also see an attack if Obama is re-elected, only not so early in Obama's second term, because Obama is going to be destroying the U.S. Military without any action by the Chinese, so why not let him do so for two or three more years ???

Re: New Pentagon report outlines China's military buildup

by Anonymous2 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:10 pm

What China want's more than anything is for their party to stay in power. Economic difficult times in the West (the west buying less) puts a pressure on the Chinese government to continue to create work projects to keep people fully employed and happy. The Chinese people have no social nets and must work to live. If there is another economic crisis in the west (as is quite possible with Europe and a global recession), China will be able to blame the US for starting the economic crisis (with 2007). The USA will be bad guy and the reason for their loss of employment. It will be easier to blame the problem on the west and declare war (over taiwan) and focus the people of china on this enemy than have the people blame the party. War will also solve the demographic problem that China created with their 1 child policy. They will now be able to take millions of men that cannot find wives and send them to the front. That will re-banlance the male to female ratio and keep the people less discontent. Let's also not forget the imbalance they have with university trained young people from the country side that are gathering in large cities to find work that does not exist for them. War would seam to solve a few problems to the Peoples Party. I believe that the Party is more important to the leadership of China than the economy.

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