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Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:56 am

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 3057-4.pdf
Summary
The threats the United States faces are the most serious and most challenging the nation has encountered since 1945 and include the potential for near-term major war. The United States last fought a global conflict during World War II, which ended nearly 80 years ago. The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.

China and Russia are major powers that seek to undermine U.S. influence. The 2022 National Defense Strategy (NDS) recognizes these nations as the top threats to the United States and declares China to be the “pacing challenge,” based on the strength of its military and economy and its intent to exert dominance regionally and globally.1

The Commission finds that, in many ways, China is outpacing the United States and has largely negated the U.S. military advantage in the Western Pacific through two decades of focused military investment. Without significant change by the United States, the balance of power will continue to shift in China’s favor. China’s overall annual spending on defense is estimated at as much as $711 billion,2 and the Chinese government in March 2024 announced an increase in annual defense spending of 7.2 percent.3

Russia will devote 29 percent of its federal budget this year on national defense as it continues to reconstitute its military and economy after its failed initial invasion of Ukraine in 2022.4 Russia possesses considerable strategic, space, and cyber capabilities and under Vladimir Putin
seeks a return to its global leadership role of the Cold War.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:19 pm

Guest wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:31 pm
FullMoon wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm
I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.
Sometimes the divisions are so deep, war won't overcome them. Case in point: Russia in 1917. The Reds cut a bad deal with the Germans and destroyed Russia in a civil war. I see that happening again. Open borders have left us with tens of millions of people (including millions of anchor babies) that hate America and Americans, especially white people. We have all experienced it. Just as in the UK, Pakistani grooming gangs have raped hundreds of thousands of native white British girls, the Pakistanis will also violently rebel across the UK when WW3 breaks out when Pakistan sides with China.

How is 20% of the US population (illegals and their children) going to march off to war in support of a country they really don't care about? Watch what they say on social media about the free housing and welfare benefits they get with a sneer. They hate us. Also, low intelligence prevents them from seeing the large picture. We are in trouble. FM. People like Bob Butler live in a strange fantasy land and deny reality. These people have allowed disaster and lawlessness to destroy us.

I am grateful that my mother didn't live long enough to see all of this.
We're on the same page here. I don't think trying to figure out logistics right now is an effective use of time. Navigator has described the military dimension better than anything that I could. From my perspective, any bad mouthing from a foreign immigration is probably because they see the bad conditions here that we all lament about anyway. Nobody wants to fight for the country right now, it's in terrible shape with horribly low morale. And the election season chaos will just make it worse.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guest » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:31 pm

FullMoon wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm
I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.
Sometimes the divisions are so deep, war won't overcome them. Case in point: Russia in 1917. The Reds cut a bad deal with the Germans and destroyed Russia in a civil war. I see that happening again. Open borders have left us with tens of millions of people (including millions of anchor babies) that hate America and Americans, especially white people. We have all experienced it. Just as in the UK, Pakistani grooming gangs have raped hundreds of thousands of native white British girls, the Pakistanis will also violently rebel across the UK when WW3 breaks out when Pakistan sides with China.

How is 20% of the US population (illegals and their children) going to march off to war in support of a country they really don't care about? Watch what they say on social media about the free housing and welfare benefits they get with a sneer. They hate us. Also, low intelligence prevents them from seeing the large picture. We are in trouble. FM. People like Bob Butler live in a strange fantasy land and deny reality. These people have allowed disaster and lawlessness to destroy us.

I am grateful that my mother didn't live long enough to see all of this.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:00 pm

I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?
It is a little funny when "guest" says "guest" posted something years ago...
Given the condition of our current leadership, at this time nobody is really willing to sacrifice for the collective good. That's why John talked about the Regency, in which a shock severe enough to put the fear of death into people's hearts and make them abandon superficial differences in the fight for the collective survival. It's probably the only way anyone will be willing to sacrifice at this time of extreme selfishness and disheartening loss of faith in the nation.
There won't be a "winner" of the global war. Only losers. I've heard reports that the CCP is preparing for a protracted war with anticipated losses much higher than anything tolerable in the West. They plan to suffer it out and sacrifice a huge chunk of their population, hoping we cave in or collapse. Maybe they're like a lot of the nihilistic wealthy and have fabulous bunkers and think that they'd be happier if they stayed there for a year or two if it meant elimination of all the useless eaters as they call humanity.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guest » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:19 pm

Guest wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:22 am
The West cannot possibly win the next global war, for two salient reasons:

1) Multiculturalism. We have a significant percentage of the population who would have - at best - questionnable allegiance to the West. They are equally as likely to support the other side of a global war. For instance, if say the next world war was NATO and Israel, versus Russia, Iran, and let's say Pakistan sided with them - then who do you imagine a certain large community in the UK would side with?

2) The emasculation of men. For decades Western media have vilified masculinity, and have made straight, white men the pantomime villain and butt of every joke. Do you honestly think they will give up their lives to defend such a culture? I wouldn't bet on it...
Excellent analysis.

We need Spartans, not social justice warriors.

America and Western Europe have spent decades denigrating and humiliating white males, and now the elites want us to sacrifice ourselves in wars against Russia and China? Ugh. Won't happen.

I hope pandemics destroy enemy armies before they can attack us. Monkey pox, now renamed Mpox, is making its way across Africa again, only the current strain is much stronger and contagious. Maybe America will get lucky and we will be reduced to small towns.

I think this is what you posted on years ago, right?

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:48 pm

Guesr wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 1:33 am
I don't see the Russians launching a nuclear war. The Chinese, yes. Putin doesn't want to give up his lifestyle. Xi is a row minded idiot that really believes he can win a nuclear war :|
The Russians might have to use a few but probably not many. Xi will use some because they're just so effective at eliminating a target area, like a carrier group or military installation. If they think they've got a good plan and the time becomes opportunitistic, that's what they're waiting for. In fact they'll use any and all means of waging war at their disposal without any thought given to the "morality" of it. Winning is the only objective and the winner will write the history to their own benefit. They'll do anything to win.
People think Putin is crazy but he's civilized compared to Xi.

Re: Nuclear War

by FullMoon » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:38 pm

Guest wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:31 am
Trying to follow news on the Russia-Ukraine War is difficult because 95% of the channels covering it just choose one side to "support" and only report news favourable to that side.

It's extremely difficult to find any objective reporting on the conflict. Most coverage is more like fans cheering on their favourite sportsball team. We really are living in a post-truth world.
I'd have to agree with this. There's so much history and money in this legacy conflict that everyone has built up tons of ways to promote their "product", which is death and destruction. That's what the MIC is all about. NOT a better world.
It also applies to domestic US politics. If it wasn't so damaging and dangerous it might be easier to ignore.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guest » Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:31 am

Trying to follow news on the Russia-Ukraine War is difficult because 95% of the channels covering it just choose one side to "support" and only report news favourable to that side.

It's extremely difficult to find any objective reporting on the conflict. Most coverage is more like fans cheering on their favourite sportsball team. We really are living in a post-truth world.

Re: Nuclear War

by tim » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:44 am

https://jrnyquist.blog/2024/06/25/lude- ... -war-plan/
24 June Interview With Lude
NYQUIST: I understand you have information on a new Chinese weapon? What is its name?

LUDE: It is not so new, but it is relatively new to the CCP. It is a drone weapon, with supersonic [correction of translation] capabilities. There are several versions of this drone. It is being tested in China at the Malan Military Base [Editor’s note: The Xinjiang Malan base is the twenty-first experimental training base of the General Armament Department. It has been described as the cradle of Chinese secret weapons development].

These drones are designed to carry out various missions. Some can travel at supersonic speeds. They are not piloted by humans. They are piloted by AI. There is also a central control system for coordinating drone attacks. [Editor’s note: The concept of central control is important because it allows for the control of all drones, during an operation, through an AI slave system. In this way all drones operate as bounded AI. Variations of this system may be technically described as follows: (1) Human in the Loop (HITL), (2) Human on the Loop (HOTL), and (3) Human Out of the Loop (HOOTL). Lude seems to be saying the drones operate on the bases of HOTL or HOOTL.]

The operational concept for these drones includes nuclear strikes against American bases. [Editor’s note: I interpret this to mean that China is contemplating a massive first strike drone operation to eliminate America’s nuclear deterrent].

NYQUIST: Some of these drones will carry nuclear weapons?

LUDE: Yes. Some of the drones can carry out nuclear attacks. The PLA is currently examining the weaknesses of U.S. military bases. Regarding the tactics, this drone must be able to take off quickly and strike quickly. The primary target will be U.S. bases. Some of these drones are hypersonic because speed is essential in attacking bases which have nuclear weapons or targets that have anti-missile defenses. The drones are specialized according to mission target.

At present they are training the Artificial Intelligence (AI), so that these drones can perform their missions without human controls. These drones must learn how to evade radar by flying very low using high speed. All these tactics must be learned by the AI. They have a toolkit of AI training software. That toolkit is the core of the training for the drone.

NYQUIST: How big are these drones and what kind of range do they have?

LUDE: The takeoff weight is 1200 kilograms for one model. There are various models for various missions. The toolkit of the software is like a brain. The drone is not as important as the software.

NYQUIST: The software is what makes the drone dangerous?

LUDE: The most essential part is the AI toolkit. That is controlling the drone’s attack, determining the drone’s mode of attack. That toolkit can be installed into many kinds of drones which can be imported into the U.S. and used to attack. Their goal is to create a weapon system that is difficult to defend against.

NYQUIST: If I understand correctly, you are suggesting the CCP strategists intend to smuggle these drones into the United States for a future attack?

LUDE: Yes. Drones could be smuggled into the U.S.

NYQUIST: How many drones are they planning to make?

LUDE: Over 150,000 drones. In addition, they will also build inferior “silver” versions to sell abroad, which will earn money for the manufacturer thereby lowering the cost of China’s production of the high-end drones.

NYQUIST: Do you know anything about the nuclear warheads intended for use with these drones?

LUDE: We have no information on the warhead specifications. If you pay attention to China National Aviation exhibition several years ago, they showed a drone that can fly Mach 3. You can check on this. The engine of that drone was developed by Northwestern Politechnical University at Xi-an in Shaanxi Province. It is important to emphasize that most of the AI high-tech developments in China are being set to target the U.S.

NYQUIST: What specific targets in the U.S. are the highest priority?

LUDE: They have a database which includes military bases, transformer substations, radar stations. Drone AI’s will be trained to strike such targets. They are continually updating their target data base. China maintains agents near all critical targets to keep them under observation so that the AI is constantly updated with the latest information and detail. This is why spies taking photographs of bases is of great importance.

NYQUIST: Are any of these drones able to return to their launch point for refueling and to reload with weapons.

LUDE: Most of the drones are suicide drones. They will not be returning.

NYQUIST: In your knowledge, has China ever worked to develop a Red Mercury nuclear device?

LUDE: We have no information on this.

NYQUIST: The takeoff weight of these drones being 1200 kilograms, the payload capacity must be in excess of 200 kilograms. This is too large for a micro-nuclear warhead that is under 75 kilograms. Can you explain why the payload is so large? [Editor’s note: My suggestion here is that these drones could be designed to carry strategic nuclear weapons of 100-kiloton yield or more.]

LUDE: Some of these drones will carry a conventional explosives.

NYQUIST: Most American bases are thousands of miles from China. Will China be launching these drones from submarines, warships, or shipping containers off merchant ships?

LUDE: They want to move these drones to farms located near military bases in the U.S. If they can push this drone into the American market, they could legally import thousands into the United States and store them in warehouses. They can also smuggle them into the U.S. in separate pieces and assemble them at special locations. This is an ideal first strike weapon because it has a radar profile similar to a small bird.

NYQUIST: Do you know how big the drones are?

LUDE: We have no specifications of actual size.

NYQUIST: When do you expect to see these drones deployed?

LUDE: Currently they are still doing air training. They would like to do something before the election to disrupt the election.

NYQUIST: So they are within months of deployment?

LUDE: This supersonic nuke-carrying model is the hardest to train, in terms of AI configuration. Other models are easier to train and deploy. We do not know, but other models may be ready sooner.

NYQUIST: I want to thank you for discussing this with me.

LUDE: Thank you.

Re: Nuclear War

by Guesr » Tue May 07, 2024 1:33 am

I don't see the Russians launching a nuclear war. The Chinese, yes. Putin doesn't want to give up his lifestyle. Xi is a row minded idiot that really believes he can win a nuclear war :|

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