Criticism of Generational Dynamics

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Re: Criticism of Generational Dynamics

by Bob Butler » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:07 pm

Once again, we have gun and drug problems. Part of it is due to what I call the ghetto mindset, the notion that because oppression is so prevalent, it is necessary to be a drug pusher, a sports star, or a mother. One result is additional deaths due to turf wars and criminal acts to get funds to support a drug habit.

The solution is not more oppression, a greater prejudice, but making the basic premise untrue. Not easy as the oppression is obsessive, especially among a certain population. One can try to make bias in the workplace illegal, and to point out as John that not all blacks fall into the questionable mindset. He gave the Tulsa victims as an example of a bunch that tried to get ahead, but it remains a problem.

How do you get rid of a cultural belief? Must you get rid of the belief in oppression before you get rid of the belief that there is oppression? It is a long tough road which many have walked and many have been more of a hindrance than solution.

I for one am not worried. I looked up the 2019 data. The US population was around, 328,000,000. The FBI reported 3,299 homicides. A simple division results in 0.001% chance of being a victim, considerably less if you don’t engage in questionable behavior, don’t push drugs, are not a criminal, don’t have a disturbed spouse, etc… I suppose 0.001% is enough to justify hatred and oppression if you are into hatred and oppression anyway.

I’d rather work towards a cure. I have already suggested that banning something wanted by a large part of the population doesn’t work. The population gets whatever is banned anyway. If you want drugs or guns, you can get them. The prohibition against alcohol was a disaster. But still, they try. As apparently Einstein never said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

But of course when I nudge towards a solution, the people here ignore it in favor of doubling down on oppression and prejudice.

Re: Criticism of Generational Dynamics

by Cool Breeze » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:05 am

John wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:52 pm
** 18-Jun-2021 World View: White Supremacist Jackass Butler

> "To me, White Supremacist Democrats is an oxymoron."

That's because you're a White Supremacist, and you refuse to admit it.

The following are all White Supremacist policies practiced by Democrat
officials: destroying the black family, defunding police, not
arresting violent criminals, letting violent criminals out of jail,
keeping the police from making gun checks, allowing huge amounts of
fentynal and meth into the courtry, and so forth.

Any Democrat official who practices these White Supremacist policies
is, by definition, a White Supremacist. No oxymoron there.

And the results speak for themselves: Mass shootings and mass
slaughter of blacks in Chicago and other Democrat-run cities, where
the above White Supremacist policies are in force. That's what you
White Supremacist Democrats want. That was true a century ago, and
it's true today.

Jackass.
I'm still looking for a reply by the donkey that actually counters a point of yours.

He still hasn't addressed the issue that a certain group commits more than half of the homicides and nearly all of the violent crimes in our nation, and are only 10-ish % of the population. Poor race (other group X) doesn't do anything even close.

The Capitol thing was a total fraud and a set up. Of course, when the audits show without a doubt (they already have) that the election was fraudulent, we'll hear crickets from the jackass, but we already knew that.

Very Spotty

by Bob Butler » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:54 am

It doesn't take much to tell the rural culture is for autocracy and their own racial and cultural group, that they are striving against democracy, equality, and human rights. You don't have to make an involved study of history to know how the Revolution, Civil War and World War II came out. Still, once one has formed one's perspective, it doesn't change, not until the culture and one's personal perspective has totally failed. Thus, it is only marginally disappointing to see people clinging to the old ways.

Well, cling away. In any given crisis, there is a faction who tries to continue the status quo, to not solve the problems that are the focus of the crisis. It seems to happen every time. Cling to the old ways if you can't read the signs.

Re: Criticism of Generational Dynamics

by spottybrowncow » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:31 pm

Thank you for just proving my point.

A Very Spotty Cow

by Bob Butler » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:02 pm

The attack on the capitol was directed against a constitutional function. In hindsight, it was indeed foolish. It had little chance of success, but Trump was desperate enough to try it anyway. It isn’t my role to excuse Trump’s decisions. But it was the best the White House could do, calling together a bunch or racist organizations who usually have very different targets for an attack on democracy. The attacking forces did have an armed contingent in reserve, but decided not to deploy it.

The violent protests and looters are contra productive elements in the Black Lives Matter cause. The prejudice of the cavalier faction lumps together organizations with very different motivations to justify their perspective. From my perspective, those protesters who go violent give the cops an excuse not to do their jobs. They are hurting themselves by looting. Both are poor decisions. However, when you and your ancestors have been oppressed since the slave ship days, you make poor decisions. There is not much logic to enough being enough. If the oppression goes on long enough, things get irrational.

To blame the oppressed, not the oppressors, is the conservative approach. You don’t try to stop the oppression, you double down on it. This involves confusing the very different motivations of the various people involved.

John is just another partisan internet hack who happens to lie to create his propaganda. He does have some value in understanding the distant parts of the world still embracing prejudice, hatred and oppression. He correctly concludes that disaster would result if these are unleashed. He has a far more questionable role in encouraging prejudice, hate and oppression in his own culture.

I would not say the truth lives here, but the site is one of may places where the cavalier / rural / racist / red / Republican perspective is presented more or less openly. The question is whether they can defend racism, prejudice and violence successfully. Not really. Not without the sort of obvious lies John so regularly employs.

Re: Criticism of Generational Dynamics

by spottybrowncow » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:56 pm

The attack on the capital was by a few hundred fools without any chance of success. If they were any real threat, they would have at least been armed, and had an army backing them up. As it turns out, they weren't violent in any sense of the word compared to the democrat city rioters of 2020.

The democrat-sanctioned / blm / antifa riot machine, on the other hand, IS part of an army funded to the tune of billions of dollars by people who want the US democracy to fall. Their goal is to tear people apart by sewing discord. There is a very real chance they'll succeed. They WANT violence, the more they produce, the greater their success. There is absolutely no question which side uses violence (real violence, not "hurt your f*cking candy-ass little feelings = violence" violence) more.

John is probably the greatest arbiter of truth on the internet. He's not perfect, but he's way closer than anyone else. Every time he lets you make another completely and totally idiotic and / or insulting comment and doesn't kick you off this site, it just shows his strength. And when you keep posting, it shows that you know he's right. You just can't tear yourself away. Like a moth to the flame, you keep coming back, because even you know deep down that truth lives here.

Liar John

by Bob Butler » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:12 pm

The riot was an attack on our democracy, intended to freeze our election system. It is trivial if you don’t believe in democracy. Some people value democracy.

The divide is that the cavalier / rural / racist / red / Republican culture sees itself as having a superior place in the culture. One is either for this culture, or not. If you are tribally thinking, you are out to build up prejudices about other competing cultres and oppress them in ways from voter suppression to murder.

The opposite is working from principles such as equality, democracy, human rights and rule of law.

So naturally if you are doing something which supports the supposedly superior culture even at the cost of democracy, you would try to label it as trivial. If you value the principles, you do not.

Things were ugly in the Agricultural and Industrial Ages. Tribal thinking - advancing your own class, race or nation - was common. Violence was the preferred method of oppressing people. Each crisis, the above principles makes this oppression more difficult, not to mention machine guns, nukes, proxy wars, insurgent wars and non violent legislative culture change. There is no exception in the Anglo American sequence. I do not anticipate an exception now.

So it is not from a liberal vantage point any sort of battle about class, race or nation. It is about equality, democracy, human rights and rule of law. When I visit the main thread, it is not hard to see white supremacists building up each other’s prejudices and blaming everyone but themselves for the problems of our culture. Others see it through entirely different lenses.

Don’t count on anyone changing their perspectives. If you visit places where divergent viewpoints are welcomed, you would be aware of how seldom perspectives change, where it takes a major failure to cause a change. S&H had that happening only in a crisis, and only after disasters like Atlanta or Hiroshima occurred. Little notice was given to the suffragettes, Gandhi, or the civil rights movement, the increase importance of non violence and legislative change to culture.

None of this addresses John’s habit of lying, of attempting propaganda that will only convince people already convinced.

Re: Criticism of Generational Dynamics

by spottybrowncow » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:47 am

John is right.

In absolute terms, the "capital white supremacist riot" was a trivial event.

One more time - a trivial event.

No loss of life attributable to the mob, just one unarmed woman murdered for trespassing by the state, whose murderer's identity has been kept secret thus far.

In any objective assessment, its significance is dwarfed by many ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE by the democrat-sanctioned destruction of the previous year. To suggest otherwise is foolish and dishonest. The minorities suffered worst of all. Compassionate democrat bastards, my ass.

The true significance of the capital incident is that it is being used just as John says, as an excuse to push an anti-middle class agenda.

Liar John

by Bob Butler » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:35 pm

The above exchanges shows much of the problem with Generational Dynamics. Basically, John didn’t know my positions on the issues, so he made up stuff. No research. He just lied. From a larger perspective, he does the same things with Democrats. He doesn’t bother to learn what their real positions are. He lies. He makes stuff up. The trend continues as you go abroad. If he doesn’t like somebody, he lies. He makes stuff up.

I suppose you don’t need any of the restrictions. You just have to know that John lies, he makes stuff up. That’s all you have to know to understand Generational Dynamics.

Liar John

by Bob Butler » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:21 pm

Every once in a while, your lying rants stumble on a little of the truth. I’l point out a few points.

I have repeatedly confirmed we have gun and drug problems. I am doubtful that banning things is overly productive. Banning things the public wants doesn’t often prevent them from getting it. Criminals have guns. Everybody has drugs. Banning alcohol was a mess. Criminals get the chance to profit, at the cost of deaths in turf fights and jail time. Am I enthused by criminalizing what the public wants? Not really. Nor do I see a lot of difference in Democratic and Republican policy since LBJ declared his war on drugs. Massive amounts of drugs crossed the border under both party's administrations.

And drugs are not really a race issue for me. People of all races use drugs, sell drugs, and fight drugs. Same with guns.

During the conservative unraveling years, it was the thing to do to defund government mental health professionals in the name of smaller government. Not an idea that I am overly fond of. You have guys with guns answering mental health and relationship problems which they are not trained to handle. Their way of solving the problem is with a gun. Again, I don’t see this as a racial problem. People of all races have mental or relationship problems. I would see the policy reversed, build up the mental health professionals using funds currently allocated for guys with guns shooting troubled people. Somehow, this has been labeled as defunding the police. Not so simple.

There are places where defunding the police is racial. Some departments have a surplus of bad cops and a racist lethal mind set. They pay attention not to the mayors elected by the people but their culture and unions. In extreme cases, defunding such organizations is a quite viable option. Still, it would be viable only if the county or state police forces are more responsive to democratically elected government. I would not defund the police overall, I would just provide more funding to responsible forces. Defunding would be a last resort against a stubborn bad department, not a blanket policy applicable everywhere.

Gun checks? You must have probable cause before you instigate a search. This should be true of everybody, not a racial issue. Alas, bad cops exist. Carrying while black is viewed as more of a crime than others carrying. No one should be above the law.

And I note you have not provided any evidence of me celebrating destroyed lives or bypassing public desires. You will lie and propagandize without evidence, without researching what you are talking about. I would not recommend it. It clarifies how you fail to research in order to more easily lie and do stalinist propaganda.

Now you can redefine “white supremacist” in odd ways if it makes you feel better about lying. To me, it is easy to tell the homicides committed recently in Chicago from those committed in Tulsa long ago. It is easy to tell a turf fight or a messed up husband from a white supremacist race riot. If you can’t tell the difference, you are really confused.

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